Robert Davis - @ Robert Davis I amd having a hard time trying to distinguish if ther is more then on Robert Davis and which on is my Ancestor

Hi Steve

As you know I am related to these families. I'm thinking to approach the conundrum by starting with the will(s). Which child are you looking for the father & mother of?

Also - is this a match that should be merged?

http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000038414126059?to=6000000012...

Ok Lets start with the dates for Robert Davis. First on is Born date for Robert in the tree report I have born 1608. Now I don't know how much leeway I have in the term "about". In the GGSA paper it says Robert Arrived 1638 at age 30. So I subtract 30 from 1638 and I get Roberts born date as 1608 which matches the tree report. At the Puritan Site says Robert was born 1619, now that is a difference of 11 years with the Tree Report and the GGSA statement. I don't know if the term "about" means that many years or not (11). At the Puritan Site they say about also so there is some leeway there also.

Before I forget I want to mention this also. There is a master file on Robert, I remember putting Robert on my family tree and then a few months later Robert was removed from my tree and put on another tree by the Master File Curator or Manager. So I had to put Robert Back on my Tree. I do think some of this information conflicts with the Master File one that was removed, not sure by how much I would have to go look at the Master file one to see. OK with that said lets continue on with my problem.

Moving on from the Birth date problem lets go to the next date in sequence and that would be the date of 1638 which is the voyage date coming to America. In the note of the tree report it matches the arrival date of GGSA paper and matches the ISTG paper exactly, so not much of a problem there but I have noted it is a common thread between three source documents, which sounds to me to be a good thing.

Lets move onto the Wife Part now. There seems to be three wives all together. One is Mary, the second one is Ann Kingman ( note here in my previous statement I incorrectly typed Ann's name as Kingrnan, that is not her last name it is a typo. Her real last name is Kingman. So sorry for the typo.) The tree report says he married Ann Kingman in 1638, I noticed that was the same year that he arrived on the ship Confidence. Also in the not of the tree report is says Robert Married Ann before 1662, which again is a little vague in Barnstable. I looked at the Vital Records of Barnstable and could not find any marriages on Robert there. the Third wife is Bridget which is mentioned in the GGSA paper. Another thing I noted in the Vital Records is that Roberts wife is not mentioned there, Roberts name only is listed there possibly because his wife was dead maybe but she would have to die after giving birth to 8 children that I found in the Vital Records of Barnstable.

Moving on to the Children, I found 8 Children listed in Vital Records of Barnstable Birth Section, Listed as follows:
Deborah Daughter of Robert born on Jan 1645
Mary daughter of Robert born on May 1648
Andrew son of Robert born on May 1650
John son of Robert born on March 1, 1652
Robert son of Robert born on August 1654
Josiah son of Robert born in September 1656
Hannah daughter of Robert born on September 1652
Sarah, daughter of Robert born on October 1660

One thing I concluded was that he was married some time before January 1645 when Deborah was born and still married at 1660 when Sarah was born. Both those dates are before the 1662 date listed in the tree report with a 17 year difference. The Daughter Sarah mentioned in the GGSA paper born April 10, 1646 is a different date from the Vital Records date for Sarah born on October 1660, with a difference of 14 years, and a Rebecca is mentioned in the GGSA paper and not mentioned in the Vital Records of Barnstable. So that looks really different there.

Moving on from there lets go to the will date and the Death date for Robert.
Lets do the Will date First. Will is dated July 17 1665, probated October 2 1665 according to the GGSA paper. At the Puritan site Roberts will is dated 14 Apr. 1688 the same as death date in the Tree Report, so that matches. I am thinking that some how in the tree report that reported the will date as Roberts death date which I think is commonly done, but is incorrect as actual death date. I think we can find more about these Roberts if we do or are able to review the will it self , each one of them. At the time I do not have access to those wills but that might change in time.
Moving on to the Death date, in the family tree it is April 14, 1688 at Barnstable, MA. ,in the GGSA paper it is July 19, 1655. If you take 1688 and subtract it from 1655 you get a 33 year difference, that is a pretty big difference I see. At the Puritan Site his death date is: Robert died probably 29 Jun 1693 in Barnstable, MA.. This is the latest Death date of the three sources, subtract 1688 from 1693 you get a five year difference because Robert Died 5 years after his will was made.

I am answering your question now as to which child am I looking for. I want to know if Robert and Wife Bridget had Sarah and Rebecca as stated in the GGSA Paper. In the Tree Report under a not I see it says " before 1662 he had a 2nd wife, Anne the mother of Deborah Davis." , Deborah shows up in the Vital Records of Barnstable as it does in the Tree Report, I want to know if that is the same Deborah. Last of all I want to know if the list of 8 kids in the Vital Records of Barnstable are in any will of any Robert Davis so I can correlate that information to see who are there Parents. I do think if we are able to review these wills we can tease out that information and see which Robert is which and in which tree line.

I am starting to think these are Different Roberts with different Death Dates and different will dates, so based on that possibly separate people, although it could be remotely possible that these are same person with dates really mixed up and incorrect and certain wife's he really had with some of them being false, who knows.

I found another Robert in the Genealogical Guide to the Early Settlers of America. This one is not of Sudbury but of Yarmouth. The Children match the children I found in Vital Statistics of Barnstable. Going to type out the entry as follows:

Robert Davis, of Yarmouth, 1643, or earlier ( this date I believe is the arrival in New England Area) had Deborah, Born January, 1646; Mary, May 28, 1648; Andrew, May 1650; John, March 1, 1652; Robert, August 1654; Josiah, September, 1656; Hannah, September, 1658; Sarah, October, 1660; and Tristram. Perhaps Sarah married October 23, 1679, Joseph Young.

I think I messed up the dates for a child or two when I was typing from the Vital statistics of Barnstable. So I would think these dates for these children in the Genealogical guide to the Early Settlers of America ( or what I have ben calling the GGSA for short) are the most Accurate because I have noted they are more in sequence year after year. Going to go back and find Vital Statistic record in those respective towns I found. Sudbury and Yarmouth and see what I can find.

I found this entry in Vital Records of Sudbury, MA. :

DAVISE (see Davis)

Sarah, d. Robert and Margret, Apr. 10, 1646. [Davies, d. Robert and Bridget. MR]
Not sure why one says Robert and Margaret then in the boxed in parentheses it says Robert and Bridget. The Robert and Bridget would match GGSA. Margaret as stated in the GGSA was Roberts sister or it was guessing she was Roberts sister so this entry in the Vital Record of Sudbury of MA. confuses me, but it does give same date of birth as did the GGSA. Not sure what MR means , the "R" part I am sure means records . So its a reference to some type of record. Ohhh Marriage Records Maybe, but how did the Margaret Part get in there?

Found Robert Of Sudbury Death in Sudbury Vital Records matches the GGSA paper as DAVIS, Robert, July 19, 1655. MR

MR = Middlesex County record (East Cambridge)

http://ma-vitalrecords.org/MA/Middlesex/Sudbury/Explanations.shtml

So we have two different Robert Davis families

- East Cambridge > Sudbury, Mass Bay Colony
- Yarmouth > Barnstable, the Plymouth Colony

Their wills should be probated in different courts & counties

Middlesex vs Barnstable

I found out that Yarmouth is a town in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, United States, Barnstable County being coextensive with Cape Cod. The population was 23,793 at the 2010 census.[1]

The town is made up of three major villages: South Yarmouth, West Yarmouth, and Yarmouth Port. Unfortunately there are three cities or towns listed under Barnstable County and Yarmouth is not listed in The Massachusetts Vital Records Project. So unable to access any records for Yarmouth using this project. Might be another way but I will have to find it.

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yes you nailed it two different counties and two different Roberts with different wives not sure which is my ancestor at this point.

We probably have an existing tree for both Robert Davis; we have a very good Yarmouth researcher on Geni (not sure if this is one of his lines or not). So see what profiles you can find for our two Robert Davis "line toppers" (earliest known emigrant from England), let's get them matched up by location, fill in the data you've assembled so it doesn't get lost, and then work down from there.

Sound like a plan?

A good site to look at might be http://capecodgenes.com/

The Robert Davis in the Family tree report talks about Died in Barnstable MA. April 14, 1688. Yarmouth is in Barnstable county so I am leaning towards the Robert Davis that belongs to us is the Yarmouth Robert Davis. I have ben using the family tree report as my original document

sounds like a good plan

Here's the Geni Master Profile for Robert Davis of Yarmouth

Robert Davis, of Yarmouth

looks like he died in Eastham, which is a town further out than Yarmouth -- a few miles from Provincetown at the tip of the Cape.

Unfortunately this compiler doesn't have your deborah Davis but does have good refs

http://capecodgenes.com/web%20cards/wc77/wc77_473.html

This one has more children & notes

http://capecodhistory.us/genealogy/Nauset/i1106.htm#i11800

Your Deborah is here

http://capecodhistory.us/genealogy/Nauset/i1094.htm#i12323

http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003490619845 This is the other Master Profile. What is wrong with this profile is placement. It does not recognize that Robert is a brother of Dolor Davis and it does not recognize that Ichabod is the Father Of Dolor and Robert, does not recognize that Nicholas is also a brother of Robert and Dolar and also has Ichabod as all three of there's father.

http://capecodhistory.us/genealogy/Nauset/i1106.htm#i11800 one thing that is cool about this is Alt Birth: 1608, Benefield, Northampton. That is the same Birth Town as Dolar is where Dolar is listed as son of Ichabod and making Robert a brother of Robert cause this says they was born in the same town.

http://capecodhistory.us/genealogy/Nauset/i1094.htm#i12323 <<<< yep that is Deborah all right

http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000038414126059?to=6000000012... yes I do believe that can be merged they are the same person that Isabell stuff must be in error because her last name was Davis not Isabell

We'll want to clean up & source out the "arriving" generation & their children at minimum, and track the line down to you, and "then" go back to looking for common origin in England, which may not be prove-able. But here are some resources

http://forebears.io/england/northamptonshire/benefield
https://books.google.com/books?id=Oyk9AQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA216&amp;lpg...
https://books.google.com/books?id=RQ45AQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA716&amp;lpg...

I have the MP Robert Davis in my tree as my 9th GG. Married to an Alice Davis and my descendant/8th GG is Mercy Davis. Is this Alice Kingman?

Have you tried sorting out the lines by DNA, either YDNA or atDNA?

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Davis/default.aspx?section=yre...
There are 6 men whose lineage connection is Dolor of Barnstable.
Usually the projects have the tester's paper tree's connected.

I am willing to help in anyway, but admit I have not researched this line extensively, but I'd love to get into it.