R-P310 = R-U106?

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My father's Y-dna test result with The Genographic Project is R-P310. This is the same group as R-L11 and R-U106, isn't it, or did I misunderstand something?

Not quite. R-U106 is currently thought to be a subgroup of R-P310 / R-L11.

The tree evolves, so it's worth checking the current thinking whenever you have a question. Here is the current (2015) tree for haplogroup R:
http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html

And here is an easy-to-use index of SNPs (2015):
http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index.html

If your dad is R-L11 you probably want to move him to this project:
http://www.geni.com/projects/R-L11-S127-Y-DNA/12030

Thank you! Now I've sorted it out. I hadn't seen the easy-to-use index before, it helped me find the right line in the main tree. I quite easily found my husband and sons' group, but with this my gut told me to ask.

R-P311+, R-U106+ What a line, amazing, heraldry

Is L11+ P311+ U106+ Apparently ancestral of all current subclade-defining SNPs
13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29
Due to the number 10?

The naming system for SNPs is <code for lab> <sequence number>. I forget who the lab was that designated L, P and U, but there's a list on the ISOGG website somewhere.

The numbers are thus more indicative of how long it was since they were found than of how old the SNP is.

The lab codes are listed on the main page for the current ISOGG tree:
http://isogg.org/tree/index.html

I did not know that RP310 = R-U106. Maybe R-P310 is a subclade to R-U106.

According to https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L151/, R-P310 (the clade which they call R-L151) is the immediate superclade of R-U106. Other subclades of R-L151 are R-A8051, R-S1200, and R-P312 (a large clade).

That is to say - of the people who have the P310 SNP, some of them have the U106 SNP, some have the P312 SNP, a very few have neither, and nobody has both.

what is this mean R-L151* id:YF06419 I couldn't find anything

YF06419 is the identification number for a test sample that falls within R-L151*.

The asterisk (*) at the end of R-L151 means it is the group of L151 samples that does not have mutations for any of the known subgroups.

what is L47* for R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b1

L47 is the short notation for this group. R1b1a1a2a1a1c2b1 in the long notation. The long notation changes as research develops. The short notation does not.

I think R-U106 it is a subclade of R-P312 and this is a subclade of R-P310 (that is my haplotype, waiting for my BigY).................

YCC called for using shorthand SNP designations back in 2002. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC155271/

FTDNA converted to YCC shorthand SNP tree in 2012. https://forums.familytreedna.com/forum/paternal-lineages-y-dna/pate...

It is recommended you submit Family Tree DNA Big Y-500 BAM to http://haplogroup-r.org/submit.html & https://yfull.com/order/ for analysis.

The SNP R-P310 is different by the SNP R-U106.
I finally received the result of my BigY-500 and my final SNP is R-P310, while I am negative for R-U106, then for logical reason the two SNPs are different.

Private User I'm surprised your final FTDNA Big Y-500 SNP is R-P310.

There are only 2 people on https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/R;name=R-P310 & https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L52/ that don't also show positive for R-L151 & one of the major downstream SNP branches: R-P312, R-U106, R-S1194, R-A8039, R-A8053 or R-S1200.

Did you submit your Big Y-500 BAM to http://haplogroup-r.org/submit.html & https://yfull.com/order/ for analysis?

Jeff Wilson,
I am the fellow of French origin, but Italian since 11th century; in FTDNA I am R-P310, in YFull I
am reported as R-L52*, the other of Iraqi origin on YFull is reported as R-L52.

Jeff Wilson, I'm R-L11 and R-L151 negative.

L52/P310/S129 is a very ancient SNP. I think it is likely you well test further downstream with a private SNP (Non-Matching Variant at FTDNA & Novel SNP at Yfull) once more matches corroborate that SNP branch and the Ytree is further developed.

Family Tree DNA currently lists 407,624 SNP variants under Big Y-500. You also have up to 561 STR variants (Panels 1-5 STR 1-111 & Panel 6 STR 112-561) under Big Y-500. That is a lot of loci for comparison.

Please ask the gentlemen of Iraqi origin to share his Big Y-500 BAM at http://haplogroup-r.org/submit.html & https://yfull.com/order/ for analysis. It takes FTDNA a few days to create the BAM file once requested.

I think it is worth mentioning that current sample sizes are very low compared to the world population and likely suffer from self-selection bias (awareness, interest, availability/lawfulness & affordability). Current SNPs may be disproportionately represented.

It is also worth mentioning that accurate SNP & STR reversion rates are unknown due to the limited sample size. This will improve over time.

https://dna-explained.com/2019/01/30/the-big-y-test-increases-again...

Family Tree DNA just announced the Big Y-700 which replaces the Big Y-500.

Pending Big Y-500 & all orders after November 1, 2018 will automatically be upgraded to the new Big Y-700.

New chemistry used provides better, more uniform coverage and includes a much broader target region.

- Quality reads of regions previously unavailable
- More consistent results
- Fewer no-reads
- Allows for more STRs to be accessed and reliably read.

https://gizmodo.com/familytreedna-hands-the-fbi-access-to-its-datab...

You have to wonder if this new chemistry & tech has anything to do with Family Tree DNA’s partnership with the FBI. 700 STRs per person is a forensic goldmine.

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