Johan Heinrich Hoffmann (Hoffman) - Sourcing: Hoffmann Stammbaum Chaos/Family Tree Chaos

https://www.geni.com/projects/The-Palatine-Families-Project/735

https://www.geni.com/projects/Rheinland-Pfalz-Germany/17381

Tobias Rachor (C)
Paul Frere Hart
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Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c)

Theresa Renée Eléna Delgado-Tossas, do you think that two different generations might have been merged together?

Hi Theresa, I am not sure why I was mentioned in this. I have a few Hoffmann's in my tree, but they are not directly connected. Are you asking my help in some way?

In my opinion, there are lots of merges going on and they are not always correct. I keep my own sourced "master" tree at home. This way I know what is correct. I only use the info online as a guide.

Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c)

Yes, it would seem, there are false maiden names (when maiden names were proven at all... they are not those, which stand by tha generations patriarch.)

Plus there are some children (one to two generations downwards) who seem to be wrongly placed under their siblings.

It's quite the mess, if you ask me.

I have added under "About" of "Johann" Heinrich Hoffmann who is only on record as Heinricus "Heinrich" Hoffmann:

a. The reply to a post titled: "Descendants report of Heinrich Hoffmann and Anna Elizabetha.

And under this, is
b. the original post, which was being answered in a.

This original post, lists a "Descendants report for Heinrich Hoffmann and Anna Elizabetha."
All good... except that....
The previously mentioned reply, which is on top, mentions that the author of this reply, holds in her possession, documentation which states that the Original post, had a couple errors within the maiden names and to whom these wives belonged and corrects these errors.

I have been contemplating for an entire two evenings, now, how to rectify the errors without disgruntling the Geni members who have built out the maternal branches... of the "false wives" and connected maiden names, some of which I have actually run across as being son's or other family member's wives, others which I have yet, to run across, during my research on these lines.

*Scratches Scalp and cries, "Help!!!"

xoxoxoxoTheresa Renée

Paul Frere Hart

Yes, I was requesting your experienced eyes within our discussion group, since the persons to which it pertains, are also, Palatine Familes and Rheinland- Plälzer.

It would simply be a major bonus, if your Hoffmanns somehow, connect to ours!!!

xoxoxoTheresa Renée

Okay, first about "disgruntling the Geni members"... If you think something is wrong that they added, then tell them to prove it. I write people almost everyday who have false data out there and ask them for sources and I can count on one hand the amount of times people have even bothered to write me back.

By the same token, I do not see any proven sources for the profiles at all. The two "sources" on Heinrich's profile are other family trees who are also not sourced. Meaning they are great guides, but not proven.

Here is a question, which "Offenbach" in the Pfalz is he from? I can find at least two and they are about an hour and a half drive from each other.

To try and help, I ran a search on the German Pfalz mailing list archives for Hoffman & Offenbach. About 10 different message strings came up. I then searched each one for Heinrich. None of them matched your profile at all.

I then went to Familysearch.org. I ran a Person search for Heinrich Hoffmann, birth 1655-1665 in the Pfalz. I found 0 hits.

Running a search in all of Germany comes up with almost 2,000 records. Adding in the wife's last name "Drum" cuts that down to 1,300. More than I want to search. :p

If I just search for him being born in an "Offenbach", I get 3,500 records and most are for the Offenbach in Hessen which has been well microfilmed.

Lastly, I checked out the places called Offenbach in the Pfalz. This one may have some documentation for you:

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/248357?availability=Family%...

Besides that, I did not see any records online. Of course I only did some quick searches and did not even look at Cyndi's List. You may need to contact an archive here in Germany if you are sure of where and when he is from.

Give me some proof! :)

Thank You so much, Paul!!! I appreciated you running that through the mill.

The 1 source that is under the Source Tab. (David Preisch) actually does have photo- copies of the baptism (including her parents names) within it and the marriage of Agnes Hoffmann and David Preisch.

And i was there, in Offenbach i.d. Pfalz, Last Summer and did exactly that, made an official request at the Hall of Records and they in turn made an official request at the Hall of historical Records, for further documentation on this line, as well as the connected Preisch, Harless, Becker Families.

There is also, a woman who lived in this Offenbach, Landau i.d. Pfalz, named Anna Maria Hess or Maria Anna Hess, who met with another researching American descendant of this line.. She confirmed that this Information about Heinrich Hoffmann and Anna Elizabetha and their children was right and that she was also, related to this line.
She unfortunatley, passed away, shortly thereafter, (News, which I had to deliver to the American branch) but I am in the process of also, making contact with her son, Stephan Hess, who inherited the "Familien Stammbaum"/ Family Tree and Ahnen Tafel/ Ancestors Tablet- List of his mother.

(I actually, have Friends in this area. I was notonly Born in Berlin, Germany, but lived in Baden- Württemberg, Germany for 27 years and I am also, fluent in the Language, Geographics, Culture and Mentality. )

Also, a huge Problem, I am encountering, is that everyone, has been adding the "wrong" Information for years so that there are 100's of Family Trees, listing the very same, wrong Information...

and especially, that the "American Branch" of descendants, seem to feel quite comfortable with "Anglicizing" the First and middle names... of everyone... even for those Ancestors, which never ever set foot on American Soil. Making Heinrich "Heinrick" or even better, "Henry" and Johann "Johan or John", Philipp "Phillip" and Katharine "Catharina" etc.
Not to mention the misspelling of Surnames, Hoffmann becomes, "Hofman or Hoffman", Preisch is mainly to be located in the US as, "Price or Preiss". Haarlass / Harloß became "Harless".
This can even be found in the Original German Records... (Spelling variations), as we all know from experience... Records also, may have many spelling errors, depending on the original secretary of office and/or the transcriber(s) of deteriorating historical records etc.

It's all not quite as simple and easy, as we'd surely all like it to be. 😉

xoxoxoxoTheresa Renée

ARGH!!! I had a whole big message written up and lost it!

Okay...

You are feeling the pain of genealogists everywhere. There are way to many amateurs out there posting things. As I said, keep your tree on your hard drive and do not try to fix all this stuff.

If you see and lead, research it, note what you found/did not find, then go on.

Try posting your SOURCED tree on a site where others cannot change it (Ancestry?). Maybe others will update their trees accordingly.

I looked again at those sites. The family registry image is pretty small and hard to read, but I do not see how they come to the conclusion that Heinrich was born in Offenbach. How do they know he was not a journeyman or stationed there for the military?

Also, looking at the children, I would bet there are at least two children missing. it states the registry was started in 1685 (Jacob born 1682), however there should have been a child born in 1684 also. Then again another one in 1692 and possible one between 1702 - 1704.

And do NOT volunteer me for any more projects! Between school, my projects, my tree and helping others, I spend WAY to much time on genealogy.

Sorry about the "reloaded page" dilemma, it has happened to me, so often, now, I have made it a habit to write my messages in "Notes" app. when the context involves me having to retrieve various information to be included from other tabs/apps/pages and then,mI copy and paste the complete message, into the "real" message site.)

Thank you, again, for digging around this tree banch, Paul.

I have taken note (and to heart) your advice and also, your observations about the children and birthplace and possible "other" reasons for the noted location.
And I will refrain, from sending you further invitations, to collaborate on projects. Sorry, for any inconvenience possibly caused by the two, I sent you.
(I so know the feeling... having a very full time schedule and often enough, rearranging it, to spend those few more moments, on Geni.)

Onwards and upwards!

xoxoxoxoTheresa Renée

It's no biggie. I just have like three or four requests and I already turned down a couple.

Maybe in a couple of years when I can get this monkey off my back that I call my job. :)

I had someone today update a couple of profiles of mine. I immediately wrote them and asked for their sources. If they do not supply it, I will note the info they supplied, but then change it back.

If I see anything I think might help you with earlier records I will let you know. Maybe this has something for you:

http://home.bawue.de/~hanacek/info/darchive.htm

You rock, Paul! Thank you, again! 🤗😘🎈💘