Prudence Beckwith - Prudence's Parentage

That would put this profile in question as well : Prudence DeWoolf

No husband or children are listed which I believe may be Charles DeWolf. In other words it may be the same person with two different profiles and mixed information. Both half correct.

Pamela - try the Barbour Collection for Connecticut births; there might also be New London VR. Also look for town histories & family studies. If there were a couple of them with same name (likely) we'll need more than VR to sort it.

That collection shows as follows:
Bequet, Prudence, D. -Matthew and Elizabeth- b. 22 Aug 1676. Volume 1-Page 11. This is what findagrave shows as well.:

Birth: unknown
Death: Jun. 16, 1737

in ye 61st Year of her Age.
[daughter of Matthew Beckwith Jr. and Elezebeth Hill.]

Family links:
Spouse:
Charles DeWoolf (1672 - 1731)


Burial:
Green Cemetery
Glastonbury
Hartford County
Connecticut, USA

The one difference is for her mother. Records show Elizabeth Griswold, Rogers, Pratt, DeWolf. There is no reference to the last name "Hill" that I have found but I have also found that findagrave is not always completely accurate. All records (not sources) that I have found show that Matthew and Elizabeth were Prudence's parents. Including the family search birth record in Utah.

So we're good on the father & face some uncertainties on the mother? Isn't that ways the way.:)

I agree, FindAGrave will only be as reliable as any other tree on this.

One of the difficulties is with a woman married several times: VR will record a name "as she had at the time of the marriage event," not her maiden / birth surname. Sometimes they are helpful in identifying "Widow xyz" but not always (nor did they always know of course).

Would by any chance a good genealogist have studied this family (either side)? Written an article published in the NEHGR?

Anyway - if you've got the correct father, did you want to go ahead and marry her off?

At this point yes. It is agreed that Matthew Beckwith b. 1637 in Saybrook Point, Middlesex, Connecticut, United States and died 4 June 1727 in Saybrook Point, Middlesex, Connecticut, United States was her father. Birth records show that her mother's name was Elizabeth but Elizabeth who? I can't have been Griswold as they were not married until 1691 and she was born in 1676 so Hill may be correct. Will have to do more research. Also have information on Matthew's parents if needed.

The book https://books.google.com/books?id=41FPAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA146&ot... has Elizabeth Griswold married 3rd Matthew Beckwith In 1694.

Therefore Matthew had an earlier wife, also named Elizabeth, who was the mother of Prudence & who died before 1694. You may need to create that profile & have it Mastered so its not eaten up into Elizabeth Griswold.

Records do show that Matthew married an Elizabeth Hill in 1667 in Guilford, Middlesex, Connecticut, United States which would make more sense.

This is what I found in New England marriages prior to 1700.

Name:
Sarah
[Elizabeth]

Gender:
Female

Marriage Date:
1667

Marriage Place:
New England, United States

Spouse's Name:
Matthew Beckwith

Sounds like it may have been Sarah Elizabeth Hill.

LOL ! Well the profile change is a start except that she is not my cousin, she's my great grandmother, Elizabeth Griswold is not her mother and my great grandfather, Charles Dewoolf is no longer attached as her husband. Funny thing is that I looked at the tree and all the other grandparents were correct. I think all that needed to be changed was Prudence's parents names and information.

Looks like there was another Prudence Beckwith (surprise). A later generation though; Mrs. Roger Dart would have been born about 1695.

From http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DART/2005-03/1110846822

I don't know where the grandfather, Roger, was buried, but he was b. 22 Nov 1670 in New London, CT, and d. 12 Dec 1756 in New London, CT. He married Prudence Beckwith 24 Jul 1717 at the 1st Church, New London, New London Co, CT. He was the son of Richard & Bethia DART(E).

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I see the shape of it now. A lot of merging, way under documented, but we're on the right track.

The other Prudence Dart

Hopefully her parents will be coming along.

According to Ancestry HER parents were John Beckwith and Prudence Manwaring. That is why I also found the Manwaring line connected to my Purdence Beckwith. Same name but two different lines.

Yup! Totally explains it. I'll try reconnecting the new profile shortly.

Sorry you lost that "gateway" (Manwaring).

Can you take a look at the too many wives of Charles deWoolf & tell me who needs to get off him? I think he only married Prudence.

Yes, he only married Prudence. I think I found the Prudence connection. Matthew and John were brothers. Matthew married Sarah Elizabeth Hill. John married Elizabeth Manwaring. Both had daughters named Prudence. I can see where the confusion can come from if not researched.

I believe these need to be removed. nn DeWolfe and Margaret DeWolf (D'olph)

Still working on John. The John Beckwith that married Elizabeth Manwaring lived from 1665 to 1757. Matthew's brother John was born in 1639.

Doesn't give sources but ...

http://www.familycentral.net/index/family.cfm?ref1=5129:323&ref...

John Beckwith was born at East Lyme, New London, Connecticut 4 Feb 1664/65. His parents were Matthew Beckwith and Mary Elizabeth Lynde.

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http://pcez.com/~bigshoe/du/Farr/beckwith.html

viii. John Beckwith
b. 4 Feb. 1668/69 c. 10 Sep. 1671 New London Co., CT
d. 8 Dec. 1757 New London, New London, CT
m. Prudence Manwaring 1688 New London, New London, CT
b. 1668 c. 10 Sep. 1671 New London, New London, CT
d. 17 Nov. 1740 New London, New London, CT
Father: Oliver Manwaring
Mother: Hannah Raymond

"BECKWITH, ...(4652) MATTHEW, New London 1652, Hartford 1658, then a freem., and had first liv. there 1639, rem. to Branford, there in 1668 was one of the founders of ch., thence to Lyme, there d. 21 Oct. 1680, aged a. 70, by fall in a dark night down a ledge of rocks. See Rev. Mr. Bradstreet's journal in Geneal. Reg. IX. 50. He had two ds. beside s. (4653iii) Matthew, (4653viii) John, and (2326) Joseph. His wid. m. (4653[2]) Samuel Buckland; and of the ds. one m. (4653ii[1]) Benjamin Grant; the other, (4653iv) Robert [[vol. 1, p. 152]] Gerard; but the name of either is not seen." -- James Savage, op. cit.<

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You're right that birth date of 1669 seems late for John to be the son of Mary b. ABT 1623. I wonder if there's been correction to Savage?

Miner descent http://minerdescent.com/2010/05/14/matthew-beckwith/ has no birth date for John in his narrative and the 4 Feb 1668
New London, CT (which is his wife Prudence's birth date ?) in the chart.

7. John Beckwith

John’s wife Prudence Manwaring was born 1668 in New London, New London, CT. Her parents were Oliver Manwaring and Hannah Raymond. Prudence died 17 Nov 1740 in New London, New London, CT.

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Where did you see a 1630s date for any child of Mary's? It's too early. She started having children in 1645 (the 1637 date on Matthew ll's profile is wrong).

But i notice this in Savage

BECKWITH, ...(4653iii) MATTHEW, Lyme, s. of the (4652) preced. by w. (4653iii[1]) Elizabeth had Matthew, John, and James, the last b. 1 June 1671, and all were bapt. 10 Sept. foll. ...

In other words, Matthew ll had 3 sons prior to 1671, all baptized in 1672.

What exactly had you seen on an earlier John?

I think most profiles are somewhat on track now. This profile according to what you've found, simply needs his wife, Prudence Manwaring and their children added, I think.

John Beckwith, I

Pamela Joyce Tisdale Poppe Antrup Did you know about John Rogers, of New London of the loud mouth, legal troubles & broken heart?

He was trying to get his divorced wife back 35 years later!

And his 2nd wife dressed like a man?

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(Whoever said Colonial America was boring was really, really wrong)

Isn't it amazing the interesting tid bit you find in research.

And ... It's proven by DNA testing that a male member of his family (him, one of his 3 brothers, or his father) fathered two children by a "deaf and dumb" Negro slave, belonging to James Rogers, named Maria.

John went to extraordinary lengths to try and achieve a freed status for Maria's daughter Joan. Her husband John Jackson ("like a son to John Rogers") finally won in Massachusetts court, in 1717.

Well, I owe you a thanks, Pamela.

Straightening out the Beckwith tree led me to one of the more interesting characters of Colonial America - John Rogers, of New London

Will continue the exploration of a new religion that endured to the 20th century in this project, please join in

https://www.geni.com/projects/Rogerenes/28141

Gladly and I will contribute when and if I can. I hadn't heard of the Rogerenes before. I did read the information. Interesting. I am surprise some were not executed as witches for believing differently and using faith healing. My ggf Thomas Rogers was remotely related to John Rogers as well.

Thomas Rogers, "Mayflower" Passenger is John Rogers, Jr.'s first cousin twice removed's husband's second great grandfather.

(hopefully that path is right ...)

I hadn't heard of the Rogerenes being associated with witchcraft. Just with multiple wives. :):)

And for spirited women folk! One of John Rogers wives cross dressed & poured scalding water on those she didn't care for ....

Pamela Joyce Antrup-Compton,
Regarding Adam Rogers, having documented my Rogers line back to Adam Rogers, the paper trail was confirmed by Y-DNA comparison with another descendant of James Rogers (Sr.) of New London. It suggests that Adam was part of the family as well as initially property. Comparison of the two DNA markers shows wide differences with the markers of the Mayflower Rogers'. So I would dare say they are not as closely linked as you say in your post of 9-29-15. May I ask how you thought that? Still possible of course, if there was a non-genetic gap in the lines, such as an adoption or case of marital infidelity somewhere.