Indexing?

I am curious about this too -- i understand that this is a valuable project, in terms of statistics, but it represents a huge task if it cannot be indexed.

I also note (sigh) no "Murdered by Nazis" and no distinction between "intentional self-harm suicide," "terminal illness suicide," "assisted suicide," and "suicide in response to Nazis" -- which is a while different ball of wax, in my opinion.

Just saying...

In my case, the length-of-life statistics for my family are FUBAR due to so many murders by Nazis -- making it look like i come from a rather short-lived family, which is untrue. I am seeking to resolve this issue via cause-of-death stats so i can personally subtract the murdered ancestors from the others and produce my own meaningful statistics as to family life-expectancy and likely causes of death. The trouble is, there is no one terminology used for "killed by Nazis" -- but it would be (i hope) possible to index from the extant projects "Victims of Nazi Holocaust" and "Suicide in Response to Nazi Oppression" and port that data over here.

Also soldiers killed in various wars, who have already been added to those death projects, could then become shared sub-projects of this portal and also of the relevant war-portal.

Re: the CDC list of death causes

I just thought it an interesting quick stat, I imagine the CDC & WHO have far more detailed & comprehensive figures available.

No, death causes are not automatically indexed here. I see someone just started a project for Bone Cancer deaths; it's an "related" project & hyperlinked also for a quick "jump to" and seeing it as part of a sub list for "cancer.". (nicely done!).

Then the next step would be to use "search" to find profiles to populate the project.

I tried in google what Randy suggested:

drowned site:geni.com

And got some good hits.

So go forward and make projects, I think this could end up quite valuable.

Thanks Erica ;-)

For reasons listed above, I'm inclined to say "no, thank you" to joining this project at the moment, as interesting as it could be.

I may not be understanding the questions correctly.

"Cause of death" is a basic genealogy field, and Geni profiles have them; we fill in the data as we know it.

There is currently not an internal Geni search on the field "cause of death.". An individual cause (e.g., "drowning") can be used in google to build a query that should return some public profiles, but I doubt it returns all.

So -- the only way I know of to honor (for instance, those who died by drowning) would be by adding them to an appropriate project.

Projects have recently been enhanced to be able to sort alphabetically, export as CSV file, and more, so perhaps that's the indexing you're looking for?

But as said - I'm not sure I understand the question.

I have three famous South African capital punishment hangings.
I don't want to start a specific 'South African Hangings' project - of the kind I see have been listed for Colonial America and Kentucky - as we already have these people listed in a category on the Famous South Africans project.

I can start a project entitled 'Hangings' and attach them to that; but there is a cross-over problem with 'Suicides' & 'Capital Punishment'

Similarly 'Poisoning' can be either 'Homicide' or simply environmental or animal venom.

I suppose I'm saying that the 'Homicide' heading should probably not have sub-projects by type - or. if people insist, then they should be called Murder by poisoning; Murder by Strangulation to distinguish them from Accidental Poisoning etc

Similarly, the projects for 'Capital Punishment' & 'Suicide' should perhaps not have sub-projects by manner of death; or we have to figure out a way to include Suicide by Hanging; Accidental Death by Hanging; Murder by Hanging; Capital Punishment by Hanging.

Sharon

Think through what a death certificate says, because that's what (hopefully) will match for "cause of death" - the medical term.

The "reason" can be variable. You can be hanged in a homicide, an execution, a suicide, accidentally, etc. In kentucky (I have a project sized list to work from) or anywhere else.

So -

Project under "cause of death"
- hanged

Project under "state of Kentucky"
- hangings in Kentucky

If the indexing gets confusing we can revisit & move them around. More important is to get them going, I think.

In your example, I think "hanging" is the larger category, with the breakouts into smaller projects as needed. Personally I don't have an issue if a profile ends up in several projects.

Okay, I'll create a project for Hanging & a Project for Poisoning. I'll post them here so y'all can join.

Looks good and is more sensible. I'm thinking I'll UN index the related geographic projects; "in Kentucky" is not a cause of death.

Ok, I've added them as a link in the Hangings project.

All invited to please join if it interests you:
*Hangings: http://www.geni.com/projects/Hangings/27814
*Poisonings: http://www.geni.com/projects/Poisonings/27815

Feel free to add and edit

Thank you, Sharon.

This is shaping up very well.

For @Erica; I hope this answers your question. For me, a project like this works if, for example, the profile of a person whose cause of death is listed as drowning would be available if one searched in the appropriate field for "drowning". I have the same desire for a place-names index. How difficult is it to create a "top place-names" index similar to the "top surnames" index?

You'd have to ask Geni that question, it does not have that search functionality currently. (NB: I did raise it on the curator discussion).

The concept behind the "cause of death" portal is to aggregate profiles with "same cause of death" into a project; project profiles can now be exported as CSV files, making it possible to manipulate in off Geni programs like Excel, and start to do statistical extrapolations. Imagine the possibilities .... BUT only if we use the project tool to assemble "like with like."

How we do it is a different question. Some (limited) success using google queries.

Should we not have one for the 9/11 victims

Also how where would you categorize this one "Hunter's shingle mill, highland twp., Greene, Indiana ( cut entirely in two at the waist Shingle Mill boiler Explosion)" not death certificates of that era but newspaper account It was a steam ran engine that blew

probably should have on of "natural disasters is flood, tornado, hurricane, typoon, forest fires

War victims???? Death due serving in the military

Are lynchings to be treated the same as hangings? I should hope not! In my opinion, the term hanging should be reserved for lawful hanging or hanging by order of court, and lynching should be used as a term foe just what we know it to be, a form of murder. The proximate cause of death in both is hanging, but the statistics are meaningless if the two categories are merged.

Catherine - Yes, I have to think further on categorizing lynching. I am still in shock at finding a lynched second cousin; and it looks like he was both hung & shot. It was murder & his killers were brought to trial, so should go under "homicide.". I have not yet looked for other lists of lynchings for their own projects, but intend to; so will make a Lynching "umbrella."

Judi - we have a memorial project for 9-11 victims, we can associate / index it. Cause of death is -- I think in NYC was falling, mostly?

Let's think on the category. It was an act of terrorism, not genocide, we're still working on the politicide concept / portal.

How about a project umbrella for Terrorism for now and we can show specific projects under it?

"War Casualty" should be its own umbrella, I think. But not divided by war so much as cause (if we know it).

Take the Battle of Pinkie Cleugh (1547) as an example; i think we have a project for it. We may know some of the leaders, such as "cannon shot.". But mostly we'll just know "killed in action."

Give it a stab at indexing? We can always move them around.

Judi - i just indexed in "accidents" (no umbrella project so far). I think your case is "industrial accident.". Will make a project, it's important.

As for the difference between killed in action, genocide, and political terrorism, what do we do with the dead of the Albigensian Crusade? It was an orchestrated political and religious move meant to wipe out the Cathars; lots of people besides the Cathars died of course, and there were some Cathars left, most of whom got killed off later -- but what IS something like the Albigensian Crusade?

We've got a Cathars project, but it includes anybody connected.

I have been following all these discussion with great interest.

It's very interesting & i am really thrilled with these different ways of looking at it. The participation - and creativity - is fantastic. The project page is already 100 times better due to the feedback.

Sounds like the Albigensian Crusade is what we'd call (tomorrow) politicide? But at the time - wasn't it a religious war?

Let's think on these categories

Crimes against humanity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity

Hate crimes
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/hate_crimes

The causes of death would be variable and fall under the homicide category, I think (although again, it will get subtle: a drowned refugee boy displaced by terrorism ..)

I would say that the Albigensian crusade was billed as a religious war, but was just as much economic and political. Hmmm.

I would say that of all the Crusades.

Please remember to add all these new cause of death projects to HistoryLink: https://historylink.herokuapp.com/projects

It is an important part of making the information accessible in a meaningful way to Geni users.

Yes, I plan to go through the projects, probably tomorrow, and make sure they're linked. I will add a footer "this project is in HistoryLink" (linking back to the project).

Will probably also add

"jump back to Cause of Death portal"

Because you can never have too many navigation aids.

I think of the Albigensian Crusade as Religious Gnocide -- that is, genocide for which the gens was a shared religion.

But that is not a "cause of death" in the proximate sense, of course.

The thing is, with the rough and tumble of wars and genocides, the proximate cause of death may never be known, and i think we need to say that. -- choosing among ideas (not wedded to any of these!) -- like "Gemocide, Holocaust, proximate cause undetermined" or "Genocide, Albigensian Crusade, killed" or "Genocide, Armenian, murdered" or "Genocide, Native American, massacre" ... perhaps?

Thanks Erica - besides my great grandfather's horrid death several others were killed in that "explosion" not sure if all have profiles on GENI - but I am working on Greene county Indiana ancestors and the allied branches the news article is under @Absolum Vandeventer several were injured as well and probably maimed for life by the scalding they received.

My great grandfather was sucked into a wood chipper. Do we have a cause of death project for that?

;)

Home accident or work place?