Question about the Tikka surname in Ruskeala

http://www.tikkastensukuseura.fi/tikkasasutusb.htm

9/8/2015 at 11:50 AM

I wonder if anyone has any information about from where the Tikka families in Ruskeala originated. According to the Tikka Sukuseura, they were living in Ruskeala at least since the 18th century, and the surname Tikka is originally Karelian (as a lot of surnames based on animals) and known in Karelia since the 16th century.

My second great grandmother was Anna Tikka, born 1849 in Vahvajärvi, Ruskeala. She was the daughter of Johan Henr.s. [Heikinpoika] Tikka and Sophia Hurskain. I don't know the birth date of Johan Tikka or where he came from. There were lots of Johan Tikka.

It would be interesting to know this since the population of Ruskeala mostly came from Finland (Savo) in the 17th century after the original Karelians moved to the Tver region, the area was very Finnish in language, but my grandfather said there were lots of ethnic Karelians on Anna Tikka's side. Another relative of mine said she believed the Tikkas came from the south (around Viipuri).

Apparently, there exists an investigation about the Tikka family in Ruskeala by some Matti Tikka, but I haven't found it, any help appreciated...

Best, Johan

9/8/2015 at 5:50 PM

Hello Johan Lars Agebjörn,

I can't help you at all except to suggest that you could re-post this question in this Project http://www.geni.com/projects/Suoj%C3%A4rvi-%D0%A1%D1%83%D0%BE%D1%8F... which has been a lot busier lately than the Karalian project.

9/11/2015 at 1:03 PM

Thanks Alex

9/12/2015 at 9:29 AM

Hi, Johan Ticka was born in Ruskeala, Wahvajärvi, 29.5.1805. His father was Henric Andersson Ticka b. 1775 and mother Eva Pulli b. 1777.
Johan's wife was Sophia Hurskainen b. 16.4.1815 and her father was Pauli Hurskainen and mother Elin Wanninen.
If you use Hiski for the details, use the old writing style of the surname Tikka, it's Ticka.
I hope this will help You.
Kari

9/13/2015 at 12:56 AM

Thanks a lot Kari!
In Hiski, how do you know which are the right parents when you go up one generation?
With the mother, it's fairly easy, since the mother's age is often written, so you can calculate when she was born, but with the father, I didn't know which one was the right Henric Ticka.

9/13/2015 at 11:57 AM

Hi Johan, Hiski helps you to find persons, birthdates etc. but you can't verify the composition of the families. That information I send comes from the Communionbook. That book is the only Church-book where you can see members of the family together. With Hiski you are sure to make mistakes.

9/15/2015 at 1:50 AM

Kari,

There is a couple in Antola, Kerimäki in the 1780s named Hindric Toivain Maria Silfvenoin, Hiski shows them having 2 children (one in 1787 the other in 1789). I think Maria then dies in either 1790 or 1791 and i think Henrick then dies in 1799.

Can you find them in the Communion books?

I suspect that they had other children who are not in Hiski, specifically i think they had a daughter born in 1782 - Anna Heikintytär Toiviainen.
Can you confirm if Anna is their daughter?
She marries in 1814 (i am not sure if this is her first marriage) then leaves Kerimäki in 1815 for Parikkala, dying there in 1838.

9/16/2015 at 5:38 AM

Hi Alex,

This Anna you are looking for comes from Parikkala. Here is some information that helps you:

Hendric GeorgssonToiviainen's ( Toivais) b. 1737 d. 1819 in Parikkala and Anna Jantunen's ( Janduin) b. 1754 died 1814 in Parikkala daughter:

Anna Hend. dr. Toiviain, b. 1.2.1783 Parikkala, Savikumpu

Anna moved to Kerimäki 1804

1. married 14.2.1804 Johan Andersson Kaipainen, Kerimäki, Putikko (Putiko såg), died 18.3.1813.

Children: Catharina b. 22.3.1804 Kerimäki (married in Parikkala)
Anna b. 19.9.1806 Kerimäki
Maria b. 3.3.1809 Kerimäki
Eva b. 18.4.1811 Kerimäki

2. married 21.8.1814 Lars Johansson Kärkkäinen b. 1784 Parikkala

they moved to Parikkala 11.2.1815

Child : Walborg b. 30.5.1815 Parikkala, Innasennurkka ( Walborg maried 1844 to Anders Siitonen)

-Kari

9/16/2015 at 7:38 AM

Thanks Kari - are the communion books digitized?
Or where can you find them?

9/16/2015 at 11:25 AM

Digital Archives of The National Archive Service of Finland are free. Here you can see for example Church-documents of the Ruskeala parish:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/dosearch.ka?atun=223501.KA

9/16/2015 at 5:59 PM

Kiitos Kari!

Could you explain "Sågk." it's not a term i recognise.

9/16/2015 at 9:02 PM

Såg is a sawmill. "Sågk." means "Sawman".

9/16/2015 at 10:00 PM

Interesting

9/18/2015 at 8:58 PM

Kiitos taas Kari!

9/18/2015 at 9:57 PM

Are the communionbooks the ones called rippikirjat in Finnish?

My great grandfather was Matti Jaatinen, born 21st March 1881 in Vahvajärvi, Ruskeala. His parents were Matti Jaatinen and the mentioned Anna Tikka but how would I move forward to find out his father's birth date as there are several Matti Jaatinen?

9/18/2015 at 9:57 PM

(his father might have come from Pirttipohja, Ruskeala)

http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski?en+t7006585

9/19/2015 at 5:17 AM

Looks like Annas husband was from Issakanvaara, although that doesnt mean he was born there

9/19/2015 at 9:09 AM

Yes Johan, Pää- ja rippikirjat = communionbooks, Lastenkirjat = Children'sbooks, Syntyneiden ja kastettujen luettelot = births, Vihittyjen luettelot= marriages.

And Pirttipohja is right.

Petter (Pekka) Mattsson Jaatinen b. 26.7.1812 and Valborg Petters.dr. Jaatinen b. 20.8.1815 were parents of Matti Pekanpoika Jaatinen b. 31.5.1848. Matti was married to Anna Juhontytär Tikka b. 25.4.1849.
 Here you can see Pekka Jaatinen's family and Matti b. 1848 for the first time, book1860-1869:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=6637266
 Next book 1870-1879 you can see them in two different places:  http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=25537238
 and
 http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=25537233

Matti was shortly working and living in Issakanvaara at the time he got married.

-Kari

http://www.tuomas.salste.net/suku/nimi/tikka.html

9/19/2015 at 9:57 AM

Johan, have you seen this Tikka-surname info?

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/ruskeala/rippik...

9/19/2015 at 1:01 PM

Here's two Jaatinen-generation more.
Petter Mattsson Jaatinen's b.1812 parents are: Matts Pettersson Jaatinen b. 1786 and Lisa Auvinen b. 1793.
Matts Pettersson Jaatinen's parents are: Petter Jaatinen b. 1744 and Anna Korhonen b. 1748.
All these in Pirttipohja and you find them here :

and

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/ruskeala/rippik...

Those documents are in SSHY and there are very much free documents as well.

-Kari

9/19/2015 at 1:16 PM

Wow, thanks for all the info :)
All the best
Johan

9/20/2015 at 12:06 AM

It's interesting that the ancestors are all called Matti/Matts and Pekka/Petter. I've earlier suspected that the Jaatinen family in Ruskeala came from Sääminki in the 17th century, since most of the population in Ruskeala came from the west by then, a lot of people in Ladoga-Karelia came from Sääminki; and there is a big researched Jaatinen family in Sääminki known since the 16th century. Matti/Matts and Pekka/Petter/Per were common names in Sääminki as well.

I've found more info about the Tikka family in Geni, they have been traced to the early 1700s in Ruskeala, though I still don't know how/when they came to Ruskeala and whether they were in Ladoga-Karelia also before the "population switch" in the 17th century.

9/20/2015 at 1:36 AM

To get information outside documents I have done FTDNA's Y67-test to get information of the route of my fatherline. My haplotype is N like 60% of finnish men. After that I took some SNP-tests to confirm my haplogroup and to get exact place in N-haplotree. Now my terminal haplogroup is N-Z1940, that is so called "Karelian branch". Now I am waiting the last results of test Y-11245, is it positive or negative. That mutation has born about 750 years ago. So there are very short time to reach the paper documents, but at the moment I can't get closer. There are maps that tells what kind of route N-type fatherline has travelled to Karelia.
Here is N-haplotree, you can find my place N-Z1940 there.
http://www.kolumbus.fi/geodun/YDNA/SNP-N-TREE-FIN.jpg

9/25/2015 at 12:14 PM

That sounds interesting Kari. So this is measured on the Y cromosome? In other words, it would only tell about your origin on the father's father's father's etc side?

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9/26/2015 at 11:45 PM

Exept Hiski and original documents there is a database about communionbooks too: http://www.karjalatk.fi/katiha/index.php

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9/26/2015 at 11:55 PM

The name Tikka was used both in Karelia and Savolax from 1500`s [Suomalaiset sukunimet (Finnish surnames)]

9/27/2015 at 7:52 AM

Yes Johan, it means father's father's etc side. Here is map where they try to tell the thousands of years route of N-haplogroup men to the territory where Finland is situated to day.
https://www.google.fi/search?q=n+haplogroup+map&biw=1067&bi...