Scots that came to the New England area but are not on the lists

Started by Mary Erickson on Friday, September 4, 2015
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9/4/2015 at 2:30 PM

My mother's maiden name was Dunbar. I am not related to the John Dunbar of Hingham; however, I have noticed the existence of several John Dunbar's in New England at or about the same period of time, 1650 to 1750. I have also noticed that there were Scottish regiments in the New England area during the French and Indian wars during this time period. It is my understanding that many of these Scots soldiers had the choice of going back to Great Britain or remaining in the New World. How would one find out if any of these Scots stayed in the New World? They would probably not have been identified as immigrants; but if they stayed there must be some way of tracing them. Where would I start?

9/4/2015 at 6:51 PM

Hi Mary

Great question I'd like to help figure out with you.

Let's start by taking your Geni tree back a couple of generations, if we can.

I see this tree on MyHeritage that matches yours:

MyHeritage Family Trees

Birth: Apr 14 1845 - Lenox, Massachusetts
Death: Mar 10 1890 - Tyro, Kansas
Parents: Daniel L Dunbar, Fanny A Dunbar
Siblings: George L Dunbar, Milton Dunbar, Samuel Dunbar
Wife: Malitta Victoria Ellis
Wife: Elizabeth Ann Dunbar (born Allin)
Children: William Franklin Dunbar, Fannie Eliza Dunbar, Herbert Eugene Dunbar, Jabez Allin Dunbar, Perry Fred Dunbar, Ben Dunbar, John Milton Dunbar

If that's correct for you, John Milton Dunbar was the son of

Daniel L Dunbar
1814 - 1884
Birth: Nov 27 1814
 Lenox, Berkshire, Massachusetts
Census: 1870
 Lenox, Berkshire County, Massachusetts
Death: Sep 23 1884
 Berkshire County, Massachusetts
Burial:  Church on the Hill Cemetery, Lenox, Massachusetts

Who married Fanny.

That's all this tree has.

Is it good data you want to enter on Geni?

9/4/2015 at 6:58 PM

An Ancestry tree suggests Daniel 1814 is the son of

Daniel Dunbar
Jul. 7, 1770
Death:  Jun. 29, 1847

Husband of Candace Andrews: m. 3 Jun 1798.

Son of Samuel Dunbar & Lois Holt

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=DUN&G...;

9/4/2015 at 7:01 PM

And that would be this Samuel Dunbar & Lois Dunbar

So you only need to add a couple of generations, then merge, and you'll have cousins to help research origins. :)

9/4/2015 at 7:30 PM

So if this all correct, the brick wall / tree top is

John Dunbar, of Wallingford

What indication is there for Scots ancestry?

9/5/2015 at 11:02 PM

I will try to put a couple more generations on my tree, but my brick wall is indeed the John Dunbar of New Haven/Wallingford, CT. No one can find any immigration info. on him, so I was wondering if he might have come into the New World as a soldier. There were a couple of Scottish regiments that came to the New England area between 1650 and 1750. One of them spent the entire "winter" of their stay in Connecticut. I can't remember which regiment it was. But, I do remember one was the 44th. One was either the 55th or the 58th. One of them had a Lieut. John Dunbar; the other had a Captain William Dunbar. Many of the soldiers of such regiments were given the choice to go back to their homeland or stay in the New World. It might not be the answer, but if nothing else works out, it's worth a try...

9/5/2015 at 11:37 PM

Sorry, I repeated myself. I was so excited to hear from anyone. I want to add that there were also at least four men by the name of John Dunbar in New England at or about the same time. One was in Hingham, son of Robert and Rose. One married Martha Aldrich in Hingham, but lived in Mendon and Braintree, Massachusetts. They had one child named John before they moved to Connecticut. Upon the move, the Aldrich family lost contact with them. Did not know what happened to them. That means that there is possibly two John Dunbar's in New Haven at approximately the same time. The last John Dunbar is in Troy, New York, but his dates are too late to fit into the scheme of things.

Who was the John Dunbar that the Aldrich family "thinks" their youngest daughter Martha (Mattithia?) married? Where did he come from?

9/6/2015 at 12:01 AM

I know John Dunbar, son of Robert & Rose, has been disproved as "this" John Dunbar ... So that's one down out of three, progress!

Have you checked DNA projects?

Who are the collateral families & where were they from?

Any indications of Scots origin in contemporary references? (called "old Scotch Dunbar" would be a clue ... )

9/6/2015 at 7:27 PM

Dear Erica,

I found a distant cousin by the name of Dunbar. He agreed to do a Y-DNA test for me. According to FTDNA our Y-DNA goes back to John Dunbar of New Haven/Wallingford, CT. There has also been a connection to a Dunbar in Ireland and one in Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland. However, how my ancestor is connected, I do not know. We still don't know how our family tree entered the United States. We need to find out who the immigrant was. I'm not as interested in who we connect to in Scotland, but I promised myself that I would go back to the immigrant on each family tree. I guess I hadn't really thought this out...just how many generations this would go back and how many people I was really talking about.

Out of the four primary branches on my family tree, I could only go back to the immigrant on my father's great grandmother and my mother's mother. All the other branches are dead ends. Dunbar is just one of the dead ends, but I did get farther on his line than I did on the others.

I would love to work with others to help discover the answers and solve the genetic mystery. Looking forward to working with you.

By the way, the John Dunbar who was the son of Robert and Rose is not one of the three. There had to have been two John Dunbar's in New Haven, CT at or about the same time. One is the John Dunbar who married Elizabeth Fenn, one is the John Dunbar who married Martha Aldrich, then there was a John Dunbar in New York who I believe came out of Maryland, but I can't find him in Maryland. Ironically, his father was named Robert. They were both in Troy, New York. Then, there are the soldiers...!

8/23/2021 at 11:58 AM

My 5th great-grandmother, Susan (or Mary Susan) Dunbar (b. abt 1748-1754 d. abt 1794) married Gideon Hewitt about 1769-1771 Gideon was b. 1748 in Stonington, New London, Conn. (Gideon fought in the Revolution, married 2 more times and died in East Clarendon, Rutland, VT. in 1837 fathering 15-20 children with the 3 wives. He enlisted from Stephentown, NY.
I cannot find the parents of Susan or a grave in Conn, NY or VT. I am inclined to think she is somehow related to the Dunbar family who settled in Connecticut which makes the most sense.

If any Dunbar researchers have any clues, I would greatly appreciate your help.
Thank you!

8/23/2021 at 12:14 PM

My 5th great-grandmother, Susan (or Mary Susan) Dunbar (b. abt 1748-1754 d. abt 1794) married Gideon Hewitt about 1769-1771 Gideon was b. 1748 in Stonington, New London, Conn. (Gideon fought in the Revolution, married 2 more times and died in East Clarendon, Rutland, VT. in 1837 fathering 15-20 children with the 3 wives. He enlisted from Stephentown, NY.
I cannot find the parents of Susan or a grave in Conn, NY or VT. I am inclined to think she is somehow related to the Dunbar family who settled in Connecticut which makes the most sense.

If any Dunbar researchers have any clues, I would greatly appreciate your help.
Thank you!

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