Honigsberger Family in 19th century California

Started by Catherine Anna Manfredi Yronwode on Monday, August 31, 2015
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8/31/2015 at 10:59 AM

My second cousin Daniel Travers has recently added some of our German Hönigsberger relatives to the tree. Basically, if you are following our family, they are variously connected to the Engelmanns, Tuchmanns, and Steinhardts of Floss.

However, when i was a child, my mother (born Lilo Erlanger) made a great point of repeatedly visiting the then-remote ghost town of Copperopolis in Calaveras County, California. We went there at least five, maybe six or seven, times. There were only four surviving buildings in this town, dating from the brief California Copper Rush (an offshoot of the Gold Rush and the Silver Rush) of the Civil War era. We would stay in nearby Angel's Camp and drive out to abandoned Copperopolis and dig around (quite illegally) for pot sherds and other things. We spent several summers along Highway 49 visiting Gold Rush towns, but we always stopped out at Copperopolis, which was then entirely in shambles and not restored as it is now.

So .... when Daniel added the Honigsbergers to the tree, something sparked in my memory and i did a brief Google search and found the L. Honigsberger store in Copperopolis. His first name unrecorded, L. Honisgsberger, born in Germany, had built the store in 1861, then rebuilt it in 1867. WHO WAS HE?

My mother had a copy of our family stammbaum and knew all the surnames on it. She also was a research librarian at UC-Berkeley and often used the old Crocker-Langley City Directories of San Francisco to research authors and business people of the 19th century; in fact, she taught me how to do this and i helped her with her research projects. Following the research path i suspected that she had followed, i looked up the Honigsbergers in San Francisco a generation later (they would have left Calaveras County and moved back to civilization if they were typical of the family) and, sure enough, there were several Honigsbergers in San Francisco in 1899, 1917, and so forth, and they worked for or owned retail stores.

Why has the first name of the German-born retail store owner "L. Honigsberger" of Copperopolis, California, not been found? If he was true to family naming conventions, he was likely named Löb, Loew, Louis, or some variation thereof. If he built the first store in 1861, his birth date should be around 1820 - 1840, most likely 1825 - 1835.

I cannot find him on Geni ... or anywhere. I find no grave for him in America. Did he return to Germany prior to his death? Did he vanish without a trace?

Was my mother digging around Copperopolis trying to find out who these Honigsbergers were and if they were relatives? Dang, i wish she were still alive so i could ask her! Why didn't i pay more attention when she went on and on about the history of Copperopolis? It was hot, dusty, and barren.... I tuned her voice out. I sat down in the shade and waited for her to stop her endless flow of information so we could go back to Angel's Camp and i could buy a canned chocolate milk drink. DAMN.

8/31/2015 at 11:41 AM

Such an intriguing story, Catherine, and I love the way you tell it.

Loretta, your 46th cousin

8/31/2015 at 12:34 PM

This would be a good one to post also on the Jewish Genealogy Portal FB group page. https://www.facebook.com/groups/JewishGenealogyPortal/

8/31/2015 at 1:55 PM

Good evening Catherine,

in »our« tree and within all its various branches it's rumbling and rumoring all around in the last days. Have a look on the Frowenfeld | Frauenfeld-connection for example et cetera.

But your story is so amazing and interesting as well and let's try to find a path together to all these masses of Honigsberger's| | Hönigsberger's.

Unfortunately I'm so extremely busy in the moment that I can't find the time of a really straight concentration on all these branches – but I'm sure that we will succeed – with your and my help, with the engagement of Daniel Travers and some collaborators more.

With my best regards I remain

Yours ever

Thomas

8/31/2015 at 9:48 PM

The Frauenfelds are on the march, for sure.

Meanwhile, the Honigsbergers are a mystery. There is no "L. Honigsberger" of the right age in any US Federal Census.

However, there is mention in a book of two brothers, James (Jacob???) Honigsberger and Solomon Honigsberger, born in Germany, who had dry-goods stores in Sacramento (near Copperopolis) and San Francisco in the Gold Rush era (1848 - 1859) through the Civil War era (1860-1865).

8/31/2015 at 10:11 PM

Found him! It was a transcription error (common in hand-written census reports) that made him invisible:

http://www.mocavo.com/S-Honigsberger-B1816-San-Francisco-San-San-Fr...

He is listed by the transcriber as S. Honigsberger, but if you view the original page and compare with other names on the same page, in the same hand-writing that begin with an L (such as Leah and Louis), you will see that it is L. Honigsberger, without a doubt. He was 64 years old in 1880 (born in 1816 in Germany) and he was living in San Francisco at that time. This means he was around 44-45 when he built the store in Copperopolis. He was a "tobacco merchant" in 1880.

His wife is listed as Barbette Honigsberger, born in Germany, 54 years old (born circa 1826). Probably, given our family's names, her actual first name was Babette.

With them was their son, Jonas Honigsberger, age 33 (born circa 1847 in New York) whose trade was "fancy goods" (generally this would mean he was selling jewelry and table ware).

Also in the household was Leonard Baum, a nephew, age 17 and still in school, who was born in New York.

Finally, they were prosperous enough to have a live-in servant, Johanna Sass, 35 years old, born in Germany, circa 1845.

More to follow, i hope ...

9/1/2015 at 12:02 AM

Hmmm. It appears that the nephew, Leonard Baum, who was 17 years old (born in 1863 in New York), not working and unmarried when the 1880 census was taken, may have returned to New York. In 1910, a Leonard Baum who had been born in 1863 in New York to parents born in Germany, was a 47 year old inmate at the Home for Incurables (mentally ill people, those with tertiary syphilis, and those who had suffered traumatic brain injuries) in the Bronx, New York. One wonders.

http://www.mocavo.com/1910-United-States-Census/126211/004972980/65...

Also, it is speculative that since Leonard Baum was a nephew of L. Honigsberger and "Barbette" (Babette) Honigsberger, her maiden name might have been Baum or L. might have had a sister who had married a man named Baum.

9/1/2015 at 12:56 AM

On the assumption (and it is just that, an assumption!) that the L. Honigsberger in the 1880 Census in San Francisco is the same L. Honigsberger who began his business as a merchant in Copperopolis 20 years earlier, this points to what became of his son, Jonas, the dealer in "fancy goods" (apparently Asian products such as silks; see below) and also states that his first name was Louis, and he was from Hannover:

http://www.14to42.net/30street3.html

"In August 1901 a series of news reports began to appear in The New York Times regarding fraud in customs duties on imported silk. An inspector at the New York Customs House, Charles C. Browne, was suspected of under reporting the weights of silk being imported by A. S. Rosenthal & Co. Some of these reports spoke of amounts as high as a $2,000,000 owed the government. In April 1903 a federal grand jury returned indictments against Browne, Rosenthal and Martin L. Cohn (1864-1933), a partner at A. S. Rosenthal. In Jan. 1904 Rosenthal forfeited bail, having left the country for Europe. The trial of Browne & Cohn began shortly thereafter, which resulted in guilty verdicts for both men in Feb. 1904. Browne was sentenced to two years in prison, but Cohn was afterward cleared. Meanwhile, Rosenthal stayed out of the country until 1914, when he voluntarily surrendered, pleaded guilty and was given only a slap on the wrist (a $10,000 fine).

"An early partner with Rosenthal was Jonas Honigsberger (1846-1892). He appears in the 1880 U. S. Census living with his father & mother at their home on Geary St. in San Francisco. His father, Louis Honigsberger, an immigrant from Hannover, Germany, was a tobacco merchant. Jonas Honigsberger was in business with Rosenthal as early as 1886/87, and he died June 25, 1892 in Yokohama, Japan while on business for A. S. Rosenthal & Co. at their offices in Japan."

9/1/2015 at 8:51 AM

Randy, thanks for pointing me to the Jewish Genealogy Portal FB group page -- i did not know that it existed. I have applied to join.

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11/16/2015 at 9:57 AM

That is incredible research. I had no idea any family was in the US prior to WWI. What a wild and crazy family.

11/23/2015 at 11:43 PM

Yes, we are a very unusual family, and i say that after many years of comparing us with other families. The impulse to adventitiously set up businesses in odd places certainly is a trait of note.

12/31/2015 at 12:40 PM

I think Louis Honigsberger (1816-1900) was entered incorrectly/phonetically into the US census as Lewis Hongsburger (sic)!
https://www.myheritage.com/research/collection-10126/1850-united-st...

He would therefore be the father of Jonas Honigsberger.
http://www.14to42.net/30street3.html

12/31/2015 at 4:06 PM

SImon -- what a great piece of detective work! That never occurred to me. THANK YOU!

Onward and upward!

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12/31/2015 at 4:30 PM

I don't know how many people are paying attention, but I've been adding Honigsbergers to the tree like crazy the last couple of days.

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12/31/2015 at 4:35 PM

And speaking of Jonas Honigsberger, I added him to the tree on Dec. 28th as the son of Salomon and Babette Honigsberger. I only would have done that with that information coming from a MyHeritage SmartMatch. Today I see the same Jonas as the son of Louis or Lewis and Babette Honigsberger. Unfortunately, my SmartMatch source no longer shows up. I was actually attempting to sort this out when I got distracted by my discovery of my 6th cousin Nobel Prize winner, George Akerlof, better known as Janet Yellin's husband.

12/31/2015 at 6:48 PM

Daniel, Great work, but you should probably remove Jonas (son of Salomon) also Babette (wife of Salomon) - now that we have more data.

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12/31/2015 at 10:58 PM

Yes, I agree, the stuff you found Simon is better information than Smart Matches, so I will remove Jonas as son of Salomon. I made a mistake though in my previous post when I said his wife was shown as "Babette" in the SmartMatches - she is actually shown as "Barbette." I have changed it accordingly, and don't see the need to delete it unless we have information to that Salomon's wife had a different name.

Now, fyi, I found the SmartMatches I referred to previously, which show Salomon Honigsberger's son as Jonas (1847-1892). They are in the "Die Familie Oberdorfer", managed by Werner https://www.myheritage.com/research/collection-1/myheritage-family-...

and

Family Tree - Rozenberg - Kollender in Rozenberg Web Site, managed by Gilad Rozenberg https://www.myheritage.com/research/collection-1/myheritage-family-...

Nonetheless, like I said, I will delete Jonas as son of Salomon because of the better information you've uncovered.

1/2/2016 at 3:16 AM

Daniel and Simon, thank you both for carrying this search out in such depth. I am now personally satisfied that Louis Lippmann Honigsberger was the Gold Rush pioneer in Copperopolis my mother was trying to get a line on. I think we have proved the relationship to my satisfaction, and i am sure she would have been pleased as well. He was her second cousin thrice removed.

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