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8/30/2015 at 11:57 AM

This Margaret de Ros had been possibly miss-merged.

She is either Daughter of William de Ros, 1st Lord de Ros of Helmsley, Joint Lord and Warden of Scotland and Maud de Vaux, Baroness Helmsley who married Sir Henry le Scrope, Lord Chief Justice & possibly Hugh Mortimer, Rector at Old Radnor, connected currently as their dau. and wife of Sir Henry Scrope but not to a Sir Hugh Mortimer, also as wife of Sir Thomas Mortimer.

Or Margaret de Ros
daughter of Sir William de Roos, 2nd Lord Roos, Sheriff of Yorkshire, Constable of Wark Castle and Margery de Badlesmere who married Sir Thomas Musgrave & Edward de Bohun, ♊. Connected currently as their dau. and wife of Edward de Bohun but not to Sir Thomas Musgrave.

It is a possibility a couple of undo merges may separate the two Margaret's or possibly not.

I have placed references on the spouses profiles & have placed references for both Margaret's in the 'About' section of the Profile and will post it here as I have seen that when there is a undo merge some of the information in the 'About' section gets removed.

Please post here with ideas about how this should proceed.

*'''Margaret Roos1
*'''F, #16010, d. after 1343
*Father Sir William de Roos, 1st Lord Roos, Governor of Wark Castle b. c 1255, d. 6 Aug 1316
*Mother Maud de Vaux b. c 1261, d. a 26 Mar 1312
*''' Margaret Roos married Henry le Scrope''', son of Sir William le Scrope, Bailiff of the Earl of Richmond and Constance de Newsham. '''Margaret Roos married Hugh de Mortimer after 6 September 1336. Margaret Roos died after 1343.
*'''Family 1 Henry le Scrope b. b 1270, d. 6 Sep 1336
*Children
**William le Scrope2 b. c 1320, d. 17 Nov 1344
**Sir Richard le Scrope, 1st Baron Scrope, Lord High Treasurer & Chancellor of England+ b. c 1326, d. 30 May 1403
*'''Family 2 Hugh de Mortimer d. a 1343
*Citations
*[S4500] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. XI, p. 538, notes.
*[S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. XI, p. 538-539.
*From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p533.htm#i...
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*'''Margaret de Ros1
*'''F, #380653, d. 17 October 1357
*Last Edited=4 Aug 2009
*''' Margaret de Ros married Henry Scrope''', son of William Scrope and Constance de Newsom.1 '''She died on 17 October 1357.1
*'''Child of Margaret de Ros and Henry Scrope
**Richard Scrope+1 d. 30 May 1403
*Citations
*[S1916] Tim Boyle, "re: Boyle Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger Lundy, 16 September 2006. Hereinafter cited as "re: Boyle Family."
*From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p38066.htm#i380653
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*'''Margaret De ROS
*'''Born: ABT 1298
*'''Died: 17 Oct 1357
*Father: William De ROS (1º B. Ros of Hamlake)
*Mother: Maud De VAUX
*'''Married 1: Henry SCROPE of Bolton (Sir Knight)
*Children:
**1. William SCROPE (Sir Knight)
**2. Richard SCROPE (1° B. Scrope of Bolton)
**3. Stephen SCROPE
*'''Married 2: Hugh MORTIMER (Sir) (son of Edmund De Mortimer and Margaret De Fiennes)
*From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/ROS.htm#Margaret De ROS2
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*'''Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 51
*Scrope, Henry le (d.1336) by James Tait
*'''SCROPE, Sir HENRY le (d. 1336), chief justice of the king's bench''', was the eldest son of Sir William le Scrope of Bolton in Wensleydale. His mother was Constance, daughter of Thomas, son of Gillo de Newsham. His brother Geoffrey is separately noticed. Their father, who was bailiff of Richmondshire in 1294, and was knighted at the battle of Falkirk, came of an obscure family originally seated in the East Riding and North Lincolnshire. No connection can be established with the Scrupes of Gloucestershire or with Richard FitzScrob [see Richard, (fl. 1060)]. The name is said to mean crab, and a crab was their crest. .... etc.
*He died on 6 Sept. 1336, and was buried in the Premonstratensian abbey of St. Agatha at Easby, close to Richmond, the patronage of which, with Burton Constable and other lands, he had purchased from the descendant of Roald, constable of Richmond, who founded it in 1151. Scrope was considered its second founder. He had greatly augmented his paternal inheritance (Kirkby's Quest, pp. 230, 335–7, 354, 358). '''His wife was Margaret, daughter either of Lord Roos or of Lord Fitzwalter. She afterwards married Sir Hugh Mortimer of Chelmarsh, Shropshire, and lived until 1357. Their three sons'''—William, Stephen, and Richard—were all under age at his death. William, born 1320, distinguished himself in the French and Scottish wars, and died 17 Nov. 1344, of a wound received at the battle of Morlaix in Brittany, two years before. He left no issue, and his next brother, Stephen, having predeceased him, the estates passed to Richard (1327?–1403) [q. v.], first Baron Scrope of Bolton and chancellor of England.
*[Foss's Judges of England, iii. 499; Scrope and Grosvenor Roll ed. Nicolas, 1832, i. 94–5, 98, 127, 132, 142, 145, 222, ii. 11; Rotuli Parliamentorum, ii. 10; Parliamentary Writs, ed. Palgrave; Rymer's Fœdera, orig. ed.; Inquisitiones post mortem, ii. 72, 125; Kirkby's Quest (Surtees Soc.); Dugdale's Baronage and Origines Juridiciales; Scrope's Hist. of Castle Combe, 1852.]
*From: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Scrope,_Henry_le_(d.1336)_(DNB00)
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*'''Sir Henry le Scrope (b. in or before 1268 – 7 September 1336) was an English lawyer, and Chief Justice of the King's Bench for two periods between 1317 and 1330'''. He was the eldest son of Sir William le Scrope (c. 1259 – c. 1312), who was bailiff to the earl of Richmond in Richmondshire. Henry’s younger brother Geoffrey was also a lawyer who probably advanced through the influence of his older brother. Geoffrey served as Chief Justice four times between 1324 and 1338.
* .... etc.
* .... '''He was married to a Margaret, perhaps the daughter of either Lord Ros or Lord Fitzwalter. Together they had three sons. Margaret outlived him until 1357, and after his death married Sir Hugh Mortimer of Chelmarsh, Shropshire'''. When Sir Henry died on 7 September 1336, he was buried in the Premonstratensian abbey of St Agatha at Easby, close to Richmond. '''Of his three sons, the eldest''', William, was a soldier who distinguished himself in the French and Scottish wars, and died in 1344. The next brother, Stephen, had predeceased William, so the estates passed to Richard Scrope, who subsequently became the first Lord Scrope of Bolton, and chancellor of England.
*From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_le_Scrope
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*'''Henry le Scrope
*Birth: 1271 Wensley, North Yorkshire, England
*Death: Sep. 7, 1336 Wensley, North Yorkshire, England
*'''Henry le Scrope''', eldest son of William le Scrope, was born 1271 in Wensley, Yorkshire, England and died September 7, 1336 and was buried on September 8, 1336 in Abbey of St. Agatha. He inherited the Manor of Bolton from his father in 1303. Henry and his brother Geoffrey, were both lawyers, soldiers and diplomats and became Chief Justice to the King's Bench.
*'''Henry married Margaret de Ros about 1319 in Hamlake, Somersetshire, England. They had three sons:
**William le Scrope - eldest, died in 1344 after receiving wounds at the Battle of Morlaix
**Stephen le Scrope - died in 1344, without issue
**Richard le Scrope - became first Lord Scrope of Bolton
*Family links:
* Children:
** William Scrope (____ - 1344)*
** Richard Le Scrope (1327 - 1403)*
*Burial: St Agatha Churchyard, Easby, Richmondshire District, North Yorkshire, England
*Find A Grave Memorial# 102150426
*From: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=102150426
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Margaret De Roos [6942]
* Born: 1298, Youlton, Yorkshire, England
* Marriage: Sir. Baron Thomas Musgrave Sheriff Of York, Knight [9933] in 1335 in Youlton, Yorkshire, England
* Died: 17 Oct 1357, Great Musgrave, , Westmorland, England at age 59
* Other names for Margaret were Daughter Of William Ross Of Youlton and Margaret Ros.
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General Notes:

Parents
* ROS, William de, b.1255 1255 Hamlake, Yorks. m. VAUX, Maude
* VAUX, Maude de b. 1257 Acquitainem. ROS, William
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Children
Margaret and Thomas's son ..

MUSGRAVE, Thomas b. 1337 Hartly Castle, Kirkby Stephen, Westmoreld. Hartly Castle, Kirkby Stephen, Westmorelm. FITZWILLIAM, Elizabeth

Margaret married Sir. Baron Thomas Musgrave Sheriff Of York, Knight [9933] [MRIN: 1275], son of Thomas Musgrave [16241] and Sarah De Harcla [3122], in 1335 in Youlton, Yorkshire, England. (Sir. Baron Thomas Musgrave Sheriff Of York, Knight [9933] was born in 1302 in South Holme, Yorkshire, England and died in 1379 in Kirkby Stephen, , Westmorland, England.)

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*'''Margaret de Roos1,2,3,4,5
*'''F, #34742, d. circa 26 July 1341
*Father Sir William de Roos, 2nd Lord Roos, Sheriff of Yorkshire, Constable of Wark Castle2,6,4,7 b. c 1288, d. 3 Feb 1343
*Mother Margery de Badlesmere2,6,4,7 b. c 1306, d. 18 Oct 1363
*''' Margaret de Roos married Sir Thomas Musgrave''', son of Sir Thomas de Musgrave, Sheriff of Westmoreland & York and Isabel de Berkeley. '''Margaret de Roos was born at of Yelton, Yorkshire, England. She married Sir Edward de Bohun, Justice of North Wales''', son of Sir Humphrey VIII de Bohun, 8th Earl Hereford & 9th Earl Essex, Constable of England and Elizabeth Plantagenet, '''before 26 January 1332; No issue.8,2,3,4,5 Margaret de Roos died circa 26 July 1341.2,4
*'''Family 1 Sir Thomas Musgrave d. 1384
*Child
**Sir Thomas Musgrave, Sheriff of Cumberland+ d. 1409
*'''Family 2 Sir Edward de Bohun, Justice of North Wales b. c 1312, d. c 16 Feb 1335
*Citations
*[S10752] Unknown author, Wallop Family, p. 577; The Ancestry of Paul Collinson & Beryl Mary and their Descendants, Section II, p. 9.
*[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 242.
*[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 452.
*[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. I, p. 422-423.
*[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 493.
*[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 450-451.
*[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 491-492.
*[S11588] Some Early English Pedigrees, by Vernon M. Norr, p. 33.
*From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1157.htm#...
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*'''Margaret de Ros1
*F, #412233
*Last Edited=20 Mar 2015
*''' Margaret de Ros is the daughter''' of William de Ros.2 '''She married Thomas de Musgrave, 1st Lord Musgrave''', son of Thomas de Musgrave and Sarah de Harcla.1
*'''Child of Margaret de Ros and Thomas de Musgrave, 1st Lord Musgrave
**Sir Thomas de Musgrave+1 d. 1372
*Citations
*[S4053] Christopher Davis, "re: Barton Family," e-mail message to Darryl Roger LUNDY (101053), 30 October 2009. Hereinafter cited as "re: Barton Family."
*[S37] BP2003 volume 2, page 2842. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
*From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p41224.htm#i412233
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*'''Margaret De ROS
*'''Born: ABT 1270
*Father: Alexander De ROS
*Mother: ¿?
*'''Married: Thomas De MUSGRAVE ABT 1294
*Children:
**1. Thomas MUSGRAVE (b. ABT 1295) (m. Elizabeth Fitzwilliam)
*From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/ROS.htm#Margaret De ROS1
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8/30/2015 at 12:24 PM

*'''Pedigrees recorded at the heralds' visitations of the counties of Cumberland and Westmorland : made by Richard St. George, Norry, king of arms in 1615, and by William Dugdale, Norry, king of arms in 1666 by Saint-George, Richard, Sir
*https://archive.org/details/pedigreesrecorde00sainrich
*https://archive.org/stream/pedigreesrecorde00sainrich#page/91/mode/1up
** Musgrave, of Hartley,
*Thomas Musgrave, of * ...... = Margaret, dau. of Sr William Rosse, of Yolton, in com. York, and sister and coh. of Sr Alexander. ; ch: Sr Thomas (m. Elizabeth FitzWilliams) Musgrave.
** Sr Thomas Musgrave, Knight. = Elizabeth, dau. of William FitzWilliams of Sprotborough. ; ch: Sr Thomas (m. Allice dau. of Earle of Cambridge) Musgrave.
*** Sir Thomas Musgrave, Knight. = Allice, dau. of Richard, Earle of Cambridge, by Maud, dau. of Thomas, Lord Clifford [This Rich., E. of Camb., gave with Allice the manners of Crossby and Morton, in Westmerland.} ; ch: Sr Richard (m. Elizabeth Betham), Margaret (m. Henry Wharton) Musgrave.
**** .... etc.
*https://archive.org/stream/pedigreesrecorde00sainrich#page/92/mode/1up
** Musgrave, of Eden hall.
*Thomas Musgrave de Musgrave, in com. Westml., 6 E. 1., et 4 E. II. = ; ch: Thomas Musgrave.
** Thomas Musgrave, ch'r 31 E. III. = ; ch: Thomas (m. Margareta Roos & Maria Vaux) Musgrave.
*** Thomas Musgrave, summonitus ad parliam. ab a° 24, usqz. 47 E. III., obijt. a ͤ 1384, 8 R. II. = Margareta filia et coheires Willi. Roos de Yolton, in com. Ebor. mil. ux. 1 ͣ ; ch: Thomas (obijt. a° 1409) Musgrave; = Maria filia Johis. Vaux relicta Thomæ Holand, comitis Huntington, obijt. a° 1392, 16 R. II., ux. 2°
**** Thomas Musgrave, miles, dns. de Hartley, obijt. a° 1409 (10 H. IV.) = ch: Ricardus (m. Elizabetha Fitzwilliam) Musgrave.
***** Ricardus Musgrave, miles. = Elizabetha (filia Will. Fitzwilliam de Sprotborough, co. Ebor. mil.) obijt. 12 cal. Feb. 1419, (3 H. V.) ; ch: Thomas (m. .... Dacre) Musgrave
****** Thomas Musgrave, filius et hæres obijt. 3 January, a° 1447, (20 H. VI.) = ...... filia Dni. Dacre ; ch: Ricardus (m. Margareta Bethom) Musgrave
******* ..... etc.
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*'''The baronetage of England: or The History of the English baronets ..., Volume 1 By William Betham
*http://books.google.com/books?id=5ikwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA79&lpg=P...
*Pg.78
* .... etc.
* 5. Richard de Musgrave, In 1286, in the partition of the Veteripont inheritance between the two daughters and co-heirs of the last Robert Veteripont, the homage and service of Richard de Musgrave as assigned to Idonea, the younger daughter.
* 6. Thomas de Musgrave, his son and heir, was returned to serve in parliament for the county of Westmorland 14, 15, 17, 18 Edw. III. and in 1341, upon the invasion in the North, made by David Bruce, king of Scotland, he joined with the barons in those parts, was one of the commanders in the van of that army, which gave him Battle near Durham, utterly routing his forces, and taking the king prisoner. The same year he was associated with the bishop of Carlisle and others, in guarding the marches; and in 1342 was made governor of Berwick, and sole justicier throughout all the king's lands in Scotland, and afterwards accompanied Ralph
*Pg.79
*lord Nevil in the Scotch wars, 1356. He received command to reside upon his lands in the marches towards Scotland, for the defence of the country against any incursion. In 1358 he obtained a charter for free warren in all his demesne lands at Musgrave and Souleby, in Westmoreland, with power to impark his woods, called Hevennings, containing 200 acres. He, in 1359, was made governor of York-Castle, and sheriff of Yorkshire. 42 Edw. III. he was constituted Escheator for the counties of York, Northumberland, Cumberland, and Westmoreland; and for his good service had a grant of 100 marks per annum out of the Exchequer. In 1372 he was associated with the Bishop of Carlisle and other in the office of warden of the west marches. At length, after many signal services, and continual trusts, he had the fate to be taken prisoner by the Scots, 1379, with Thomas his son; but procuring John lord Nevil, of Raby, and others, to be sureties for 10,000 marks, they were set at liberty. This Thomas purchased Harcla-Castle from Ranulph, baron of Raby. he was also, for his signal knowledge in national affairs, summoned by writ, among the barons of this kingdom, from 24 to 47 Edw. III. inclusive. He married three wives; 1, Margaret, dau. and co-heir of William Roos of Yotton; 2, Mary, daughter of John Vaux, relict of Thomas Holland, earl of Huntingdon; 3, Isabel, widow of Robert, son of Robert lord Clifford, and daughter to Thomas lord Berkley, by whom he had a daughter, married to Henry Warton; and two sons: Thomas, taken prisoner with his father, and William. He died in 1384, and was succeeded by his son,
* 7. Sir Thomas de Musgrave, Knt. who married Elizabeth, daughter and co-heir of Sir William Fitzwilliam of Sprotsburgh, in Yorkshire. He was sheriff of Cumberland in 1393, and knight of the shire for Westmoreland in 1400. he died in the year 1409, and was succeed by his son,
* 8. Sir Richard de Musgrave, Knt. who, by Elizabbeth ____, left
* 9 Thomas, his son and heir, who married Joan, daughter of William lord Dacre. He died in 1447, leaving Richard, his heir, and Elizabeth, the wife of Henry Wharton.
* 10. Sir Richard Musgrave, Knt., who married Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Thomas Betham of Betham-Castle, in Westmoreland, Knt. and sister of Sir Edward Betham, Knt. He died in 1464, and left issue: .... etc.
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Sorry my first posting at the very top, should say - connected currently as their dau. and wife of Sir Henry Scrope but not to a Sir Hugh Mortimer, also as wife of 'Sir Thomas de Musgrave, 1st Lord Musgrave' .

Instead of 'Sir Thomas Mortimer'.

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