Minkje Nathan Elte - Minkje Nathan Elte -- actual wife of Aron Isaac Levie

Started by Eric Wim Flesch on Thursday, August 6, 2015
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8/6/2015 at 6:12 PM

Minkje Nathan was the half-sister of Hendele Nathan. Hendele is mis-identified in the Ashkenazi pages as the wife of Aron Isaac Levie, even though "Mink" is identified as the wife, see http://dutchjewry.org/genealogie/gezin/hum_ashken/F5050/I7405 , 3rd line below "Aron Isaac Levie". So it was Minkje who died in 1772, leaving Aron as a widower, while Hendele went on to attend her son Hartog's wedding in 1781, see http://dutchjewry.org/genealogie/gezin/hum_ashken/F18462/I38773 , line 9.

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8/7/2015 at 2:50 AM

Maybe, maybe not.
It says 'prospective bride Mink', but it's not clear if the marriage actually took place.
Just like it says 'prospective bride Lea', but here it says 'without following marriage'.
On the other hand no evidence is provided Hendele ever existed and that she married Aron (DTB 738/429). At her death she is identified as 'wife of Aron Isaac Oesterman'.
Nowhere she is identified as being Mink's (half)sister.

8/12/2015 at 3:45 PM

Yes, but the 2nd marriage didn't happen because Aron was dead! Died at 34yo after his wife died at 31yo. Speculation: could have been suicide due to depression from (1) he loved & depended on his late wife, and (2) he did not like his 2nd-wife-to-be. So no lesson from the 2nd wedding event can be applied to the 1st wedding event.

As for Hendele Nathan, the mystery is why Akevoth designated her as Aron's wife. The old documentation never mentions her in that capacity -- unless that name is written on the gravestone of Aron's wife. Akevoth reports no name on the gravestone, but maybe it was implied? If the gravestone does say "Hendele Nathan" then there were two Hendele Nathans, but if it does not, then Akevoth just got it wrong.

By the way, when I created the Gen-I entry for "Hendele Nathan Elte", I wrote her date of death as "after 1781" (because she attended her son Hartog's wedding in 1781, then we hear no more from her). However, that displays as "1781" on the summary, entirely against the intention, so I've removed the 1781 and left the DoD as blank. She probably lived another 20-30 years but no way of knowing. EWF

8/20/2015 at 1:06 PM

I've renamed this entry as simply "Minkje Nathan" because that style is how they were called at the time. I hold that on the balance of the evidence this person, Minkje Nathan, is the true wife of Aron Isaac Levie, see http://dutchjewry.org/genealogie/gezin/hum_ashken/F5050/I7405 , 3rd line below "Aron Isaac Levy".

8/25/2015 at 2:30 PM

As I've written elsewhere, Minkje may indeed be the daughter of a different Nathan than Nathan Hartog Elte. Akevoth says that Mink's father is "Nathan ben David" which may be a different person than Nathan Hartog Elte, although they could be the same if "Nathan ben David" is interpreted as "Nathan, a Jew". Progeny of 2nd marriages were often not entitled to a share in the father's estate, and so some obfuscation was sometimes put into the documentation to enforce that.

However, my own interest in this has been only to detach Hendele Nathan away from Aron Isaac Levie because she is my ancestor and not theirs. So if the curators think that Minkje Nathan was not an Elte, by all means feel free to delete this entry, but give us (the Flesches) our Hendele back. "Mink Nathan" is all yours, not ours. EWF

9/7/2015 at 1:27 AM

I've now removed "Minkje Nathan" from this tree because she is identified as the daughter of "Nathan ben David" and not of Nathan Hartog Elte. Mink Nathan was the wife of Aron Isaac Levie, so up to someone else to put her there. EWF

10/19/2015 at 11:52 AM

... and lastly, I take from Akevoth that "Hendele Nathan" is indeed listed somewhere as being Aron's wife, although Akevoth doesn't present the original wording, unfortunately. In which case Aron's wife "Hendele" would be a sister or cousin of Mink and so a different "Hendele Nathan" than my ancestor who lived to c1800.

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