Mae Conklin (Coyle) - Mae (May?) and Mary Coyle?

Started by Shawn Sharif Qureshi on Thursday, July 16, 2015
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7/16/2015 at 8:50 PM

There's some problems here with the Coyle tree.

There's two children of the sixteen (sixteen?):

- Mae Aunt Mae (May?)
- Mary Unknown Coyle

Both appear on a Census, both seem to be around the same age.

A "May" appears on a June 1st, 1905 census, appears 3 years old.
A "Mary" appears on a 1920 census, appears 17 years old.

Neither of these census shows these two names living together...unfortunately, neither census shows all children present at either residence, so it still leaves room for doubt.

Furthermore, Mom (Terry) Therese Lynn O'Brien added that Mae married John Conklin, who subsequently had children with her:
- John Conklin (Jr.?)
- Virginia Kuhl (Conklin) -> Married George Kuhl, gave birth to six children "The Kuhls"

Things get strange here, though, because Alice Dowd Alice Dowd added a "James Conklin" as a spouse for Mary Coyle, and subsequently They gave birth to only Virginia Kuhl (Conklin), whom also married to George Kuhl, yet no children listed here.

Possibilities:

A) Mae (May) and Mary are one and the same.
B) There were fifteen children, not sixteen.
C) Alternatively the sixteenth child was named Mae (or Mary), and did not survive long after birth.

Unfortunately, I'm having a difficult time locating Virginia and George Kuhl's records.
However, my suspicion is that any records I can find may confirm whether the mother was Mary or May/Mae, and also confirm what the Conklin fathers real first name was.
We also need to discern whether Virginia did have a brother John or not...

7/17/2015 at 8:48 AM

1910 census shows Eugene & Alice Coyle iat 103 East 90 St
13 children listed
Mary born 1898
Rose, my mother born 1908
I remember that Aunt Mae lived in the Bronx . She had two children ,Virginia and brother James. Husband was not around. Dead or divorced? Family tensions made Virginia leave and came to live wth us in Middle Village from approx 1948-1951 when mom Rose died. Brother James married and had two children . Died at an early age
Virginia met and married George Kuhl, a fireman. They lived in Middle Village and had two sons. Eventually they moved to central Florida and eventually had a total of seven children. George died and as far as I know Virginia still lives in Leesburg , Florida.
Will have to wait for release of 1950 census to get more info.
As for how many Coyles were born. My notes indicate there were 17! Pregnancies of which 13 survived.
Re. Francis vs Frances. There were lots of mistakes in census records back then . Not to mention Ancestry.com transcribers make mistakes in transcribing from the microform records

7/17/2015 at 10:05 AM

Thanks for helping solve this, Alice, so you suspect Aunt Mae (born 1903?) isn't Mary? Mary is a different person entirely?

I can't seem to find a "Mary" that resolves to being born around 1898 on the 1910 census:

http://interactive.ancestry.com/7884/4449902_00677/?htx=View&r=...

I do see a "Maria" (likely fudged name) who's 8 years old, that would put her around being born 1902/1903, this could be either Mary or Mae?

I do see "Margit" (obviously a misspelling for Margaret Coyle, my great grandmother) - who is confirmed born 1/10/1899

As far as who survived, it's clear the following 13 siblings did survive / Marry / etc.:
John
Michael
Francis
Ann
Felix
Eugene
Margaret
James
Ambrose
Philip
Rose
Mae
Edmund

The following two are suspected to not have survived childbirth, I think:
Peter
Alice

So that's fifteen children we have covered.

The last two, Mary (?), and the Unknown one, I'm not sure map out.

Is it possible the issue is that these last two who didn't survive had no names, and that Mary is really Aunt Mae's real/alternate name?

7/17/2015 at 10:32 AM

I took my information directly from the microfilm at NYPL Research Library.
Mae would be a i nickname for Mary. Also stillborn births or early deaths would not be recorded. Thee were separate records for stillborn or early deaths in New York City. I don't know if other states did the same thing

7/18/2015 at 9:22 AM

Hi, Alice....Shawn, contact Nonni. She is very much in contact with Aunt Virginia in Florida and can answer all of your questions regarding Aunt May who was quite an interesting person.

7/19/2015 at 12:04 AM

Hey Ma, yes it's pending on the now very long list of stuff to investigate. Thanks for the tip about Virginia!

Alice, that's perfect I'll update Mae's AKA list. Just what I was suspecting went awry here with these two profiles. Did the birth date of 1898 for Mae also appear on the microfilm records?

I'm not sure where my 1903 came from. Only starting to plug in source data, now that some features have been added here, and it's a profile that's been here for a few years now, so I'm fuzzy on the data besides possibly census / Margaret's notes.

7/19/2015 at 12:12 AM

Oh! Something else, the profile photo I have set for her was pointed out I believe by Nonny, yet it shows in the group photo with her siblings, that she's younger by far than Margaret, is that not a photo of Mae?

If it is Mae, I wouldn't think she was born before Margaret, as Margaret was born in 1899...

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