Thomas Lombard (Lumbard) - Clean of Thomas Lombard/Lumbert/Lambert, the Immigrant to Plymouth

Started by Dan Cornett on Wednesday, July 1, 2015
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7/1/2015 at 5:06 AM

After some mis-merging, the children of the wives of Thomas the Immigrant had gotten somewhat scrambled.

Despite the current About reading, there seem to have been 4 wives of Thomas.

The About of the 2nd daughter named Jemima (Jemima Benjamin) claims to be of the 3rd wife, and Caleb (1636?) was already attached as her sister, so I took that as a 'reference' for sorting between the 1st & 3rd wives, but I wasn't sure which belong to the 2nd wife of Thomas. Help appreciated!

The 4th wife & widow of Thomas (Joyce Lombard) did not apparently have any children with Thomas (only with her first husband).

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7/1/2015 at 7:17 AM

Ok

7/15/2016 at 10:20 AM

Bringing in info from Christine Clark Tucker:
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I believe that Caleb, Jemima, Jobeniah, Jedediah, and Benjamin are the children of Thomas Lombard and his third wife, not the first wife as attached. I am unable to disconnect the relationship. The first wife had his first two children born about 1602 and 1608. The second wife had children born 1617, 1620 and 1623. The third wife had children 1635 - 1642 or so. It is believed that Joyce, widow Wallen did not have children with Thomas Lombard because she did not marry Thomas until after the death of Ralph Wallen before August 1643 or so, and/or she was still in Plymouth during the births of the Lombard children with the supposed 3rd wife.

Can the curator or someone with the ability to disconnect the 1st wife, connect a 3rd wife to Caleb, Jemima, Jobeniah, Jedediah, and Benjamin? I cannot just disconnect the mother without also disconnecting Thomas as the father on the Relationship Tab.

http://www.plimoth.org/sites/default/files/media/pdf/wallen_ralph.pdf
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I've unmerged/added and MP'd 4 wives of Thomas Lombard/Lumbard and "sorted" the children based on the dates implied by Christine.

There may be more children currently attached than really belong there; in particular, I suspect John Martin Lambert does not belong as a child of Thomas -- unless as a child of the widow Joyce Wallen after her marriage to Thomas, which may be unlikely.

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9/30/2016 at 8:29 AM

It can get very confusing. They don't know a lot about any of them and in cases they have two of them with Joyce as the first name, so you have a hard time figuring out which child goes with which wife and no last names in some cases.

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