MP swap unmanageable

I don’t know who to tag. :). So I avoid the issue altogether. Works.

We have enough Italian and Russian MPed that it is not to much work to create a Swap project just for them. And for the Italian MP's just tag me. For the time being I adopted the italian MP's.

I have added a swap project for the italians, the US and the America's, Middle, South and US. I know to little of US to see if we need swap projects for the states or interest area's. But now we have living, modern and old pre big-war US.

I will add a swap project for Portugal and Spain. For now I will do a mix one.

https://www.geni.com/projects/Curator-Profile-Exchange-Middle-Ameri... I’m not sure what “Middle America” means? Midwest? The Central American countries?

We have tons of US location projects. Good for researchers, not especially relevant for curating duties, I don’t think.

Thanks the word is "The Central American countries" and really of the 3000 swap MP a great part is about the US. So it is very hard to find non-US in that unmanageable project.

Thank you for the update and organizing effort, Jeroen.

I tend not to look in a project (because I’m not looking for more to curate), but I do re curate from Customer Service as I “clean tree” & I’m very good about removing those from project.

I will continue in placing MP in other projects so that the list in this project will be smaller.

With over 2000 profiles in this project how many curators are actually taking the time to review the whole list?

What does it say about the system of MPs generally that there are 2000+ profiles that some curator wants to get rid of but no one wants to take over? Not to mention the regional sub projects

Too many sub-projects have been made without the invested curators even being told about them. Makes it hard to redistribute profiles if no one knows they exist.

I don't read into the overall count too much -- remember that there have been massive dumps of thousands at a time when we've lost curators -- but I do believe that a lot of the true junk needs to be **thoughtfully** demastered. We did that with a lot of one former curator's odder MPs, and I think we're better off for it, even though some curators were upset. (Sorry, but isolated profiles with no data and profiles with "Don't use, this area is a huge mess!" notes don't need to be MPs.)

Though I should note that part of the solution is more curators, not necessarily fewer MPs.

Every new curator should be directed to the swap.

Maste Profiles should not have any named curator since it stops other curators to make changes, - being a follower or manager gives you notifications anyhow, and eventually contact profile managers or discussions started on Master Profiles should go into a new Master Profiles discussions list.

It’s not true that “named curators” stop others from fixing etc. I work with other people’s MPs all the time. It’s just a matter of cooperating or more importantly, documenting.

I don’t really agree with de mastering. To me the solution is enhancing the quality of the MP, which is a task for “all” geni members. The original Disambiguation use of MPs is needed more than ever.

As we tame duplication and needless data entry we can focus more on that. I’m thrilled that the Colonial Tree Cleanup Project members are now getting good enough to help each other for example; this kind of (broad) regional and temporal collaboration is paying off.

(I’m excepting the oddball singletons etc, particularly since we don’t know the intent behind the very old notes ...). But this was a one off situation.

Erica, I didn't want to name the former curator I was referring to in this thread, but if you want, I can message you. I suspect that once you remember the case, you'll understand why things got demastered. You're right -- it was an odd situation.

Bjørn, getting rid of named curators doesn't get rid of the problem of at least one curator needing to keep an eye on each MP. That's really what the swap is about -- it's for finding someone else who has interest and is willing to help with MPs you can't personally watch anymore, for whatever reason. Even if we switched to the system you advocate, we'd still need the swap.

Alex, I went through the master project last night and immediately spotted a problem -- people claim curation but don't remember to remove the MP from the projects. So who knows how many of those 2,600+ profiles are actually still in need of an adopter.

Private User I think the next step is tell the curators about the sub projects.

Several Curators do not want to adopt MP.

And maybe it good to keep several MP's on the name of former curators or CS.

But +1 on the suggestion of Private User.

I think we should use Curator notes more and some Curator notes needs to be cleaned up.

For example Jean-Louis Laurent

Even the longest journey begins with a single step.

I did create the subprojects, but I do not know who is interessed in following that subproject or not so I leave it to some else to invite the other Curators to follow those projects. I did my little step.

I was in the impression that a lot of curators wanted the subprojects.

But maybe the other reason that this project become unmanageable is the fact that adopting and Curating a profile is a lot of work and we have too little Curators that are willing to adopt and curate profiles.

I’m beginning to feel caught up: the dreadful Gedcom onslaught seems over (for now) and the upside of that has been that I’ve relationship locked many more tree tops, which in turn has “automated” looking after MPs, as bad relationships “auto disconnect.” R/L really works! And with less tree conflicts, and inconsistency reporting, I’m seeing more emphasis on correct details, so my curating work skews more toward refinement / sourcing than tree work. It feels like a new phase.

So, I’ll try and take a look at what might need re curating.

If you create a sub project please tag it to the main map swap project otherwise no-one will even know it exists

I will tag them all to the main swap project. Thanks for the suggestion.

Just had a request from Private User to join the project - not a curator

I rejected it,

I think it is wise to limit the list of Project Collaborators to active Curators.
Ofcourse we can not stop other users from following this kind of projects, but to keep it manageable that would be a good rule.

In my opinion we don't need a swap project for every country.

The master project is becoming unmanageable, so that is why the idea to start sub projects.

My suggesting is to leave the master project, but only leave there the profiles that can not be placed in other projects. The end goals is to have the master project empty. And a swap project of every country is over the top, but at least a swap project of every large country. Or where we have two or more Curators living.

This project https://www.geni.com/projects/Curator-Profile-Exchange-Australia/11... will NOT make any difference to the unworkability of the main profile as there are ZERO profiles in the main profile that are born, baptised, died or buried in Australia.

Since starting as a curator I have had numerous requests from curators to take over a profile that they think should be managed by an Aussie curator and I have taken it on and I am sure that the other Aussie curators have done the same.

Creating hundreds of sub-projects that you expect other curators to actively work without getting their buy-in will NOT work.

Creating sub-projects is just moving the problem - it does NOTHING to resolve the problem.

A smaller group of sub projects makes sense. When I was first going through the lust, before it got divided up, it was overly daunting, s Sc croaking through pages and pages of profiles, looking for vines I was qualified to oversee.

But we don’t need so very many. Now the list of projects is daunting.

I do send new curators over, so that they can help out and find profiles in their area.

But yes. We need more curators.

And of course the areas where we have a number of profiles that need a new curator are the areas where we most need new helpers.

And some areas are simply hard to fill.

But others are just overly busy.

When I put a great many of my MPs in the swap project, because I was focusing, many got picked up — thank you! — but a great many didn’t, and they aren’t necessarily in uncurated areas. Lots of colonial America. Lots of contemporary celebrity Americans.* Lots of 18th C British.

There is simply too much to do in those areas.

*In this case it’s the serial killer profiles I took over after their curator left. They have to be curated, as occasionally vandals or uninformed users want to make changes that aren’t ok. But few people feel called to caretakers them.**

**I took over the serial killers and executed murderers because my great grandfather had executed several of them, so that seemed fair.***

***but on the other hand I turned over even his profile, when I focused on down and he was outside my area of focus.

There are 2 projects for South Africa

https://www.geni.com/projects/Curator-Profile-Exchange-South-Africa...
https://www.geni.com/projects/Curator-and-MP-Profile-Exchange-South...