Removing surnames of historical personages

Started by Private User on Sunday, March 22, 2015
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Private User
3/22/2015 at 2:52 PM

I noticed Richenza and her sister Ida, previously going by the surname of von Schwaben or von Lothringen or both, no longer have surnames. These were deleted by Jason Scott Wills. How will anybody ever find them? The current fad of saying that people had no surnames before 1300 has really gone too far by deleting the surnames of historical royal personages. A search on Geni will now never find them, so millions of duplicates can be expected. I call it destroying the Geni database. If this is the new policy then I am exiting, there's no point trying to run a database of first names.

3/22/2015 at 4:13 PM

If you had concerns you could have just contacted me. To find them in search you can add all the place surnames in the "also known as" field. All titles are being placed in the display name which is searchable.

3/22/2015 at 4:32 PM

Roderick, I understand your concern finding profiles you are used to undergoing such changes. I suggest you take part in related discussions...

http://www.geni.com/discussions/145996?msg=1009430

http://www.geni.com/discussions/145294

Private User
3/22/2015 at 6:07 PM

There's no point discussing this as this nonsense has aleady destroyed too much and nobody is going to reverse it. So it's a done deal and the converts to this new religion as re radicalised they will never listen to reason. Richenza has no surname anymore. her sister Ida has no surname anymore either and she has no names at all other than Ida and cannot be found in a search. Yet their sister is called Nn von Schwaben. There is no consistency, The database is being /has already been destroyed. Search yourself for Ida and you won't find her, only These:

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Ida Ita Von Lothringen

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Ida von Lothringen; Abbess in Köln and Gandersheim

(c.1000 - c.1060)
Daughter of Ezzo, Count Palatine of Lotharingia and Mathilde of Germany - Countess Palatine of Lotharingia
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Mother of Maria von Hirscher; Adelheid von Hirscher; Hermann, Herr von Hirscher; Count Eberhard of Hirscher and 1 others
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3/22/2015 at 6:22 PM

Roderick, this problem has been debated so many times on Geni that I'll be surprised if you get much traction, except from people who want to re-hash all the old arguments.

There was a clear majority view that putting constructed names in the baisc name fields is a genealogical felony -- making up data. So, the general rule has been to put the earliest documented name in the basic fields. If there's no surname, so be it. Titles, along with unattested name forms used for clarity, go in an artificial "display name".

I think I might have preferred to put the constructed names in the basic fields, with the highest title in the suffix field, but that's not the way it turned out and I haven't had any problems coping with the current system.

3/22/2015 at 7:58 PM

i added

Ida Von Lothringen
Ita Von Lothringen
Ida von Schwaben
Ita von Schwaben
Ida of Swabia,
Ita of Swabia

to the also known as, you shouldnt have a problem searching now.

Private User
3/23/2015 at 6:58 AM

Justin, I hope that my ancient "Herr Of Swabia" cousins don't get lost in the shuffle . . .

;)

3/23/2015 at 2:29 PM

Jason Scott Wills i think "von" never was written with a capital V.

3/23/2015 at 4:30 PM

I know I just copy pasted what he wrote

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