Judith 'Fausta' de Flandre (van Vlaanderen) - Er det noe feil her

Started by Ivar Anton Rummelhoff Christensen on Tuesday, March 10, 2015
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3/10/2015 at 2:35 PM

Finn Holbek Hej Ivar, - i Danmarks Adels Aarbog 1893 side 148 starter slægten Galde med Aasluf "i Buskerud", nævnt 1322-23. Der nævnes ikke noget om dennes aner, tjek Genis kilder på de nævnte "Galle".

Skule Tostesen var korrekt søn af Toste Godwinson, som var gift med Judith van Vlaanderen, men Judith var ikke mor til Skule, - Skules mor var en anden ukendt kvinde. Her er fejl på Geni. Jf. Leo van de Pas: http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php...
Se også (den lidt mindre pålidelige franske side) Roglo: http://roglo.eu/roglo?lang=da;i=1219703
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11/9/2015 at 2:50 AM

http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000035865699058

Hvor er det blitt av treet til Judith?

11/9/2015 at 2:53 AM

http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000035865699058

Hvor er det blitt av treet til Judith?

11/9/2015 at 2:53 AM

Ektemannen Tostig har også mistet treet sitt.

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11/9/2015 at 3:30 AM

May be Frank Harald Johansen can answer why he cut the parents connecttions on Jarl Skule "Kongsfostre", på Rein?

Skule Kongsfostre was disconnected from his parents Tostig Godwinson, Earl of Northumbria and Judith of Flanders and siblings Kjetil Krok and Sveinke Steinarsson by Frank Harald Johansen.
Jun 16 at 9:18 AM

See also http://www.geni.com/discussions/77489?msg=1040418

11/9/2015 at 3:37 AM

Morkinskinna [276] states that Skúli was a son of Tostig, and mentions Ketill in the same passage without giving any relationship. In a passage describing the same events, Heimskringla [660] states that Skúli and Ketill were brothers of noble English blood, but does not state their parentage. (Some published versions of Heimskringla based on later manuscripts make the brothers sons of Tostig, but this is not in Hollander's translation, based on the earliest manuscripts.) Skúli was evidently an adult at the time of the Battle of Stamford Bridge (1066), and it has also been pointed out [Cleve & Hlawitschka (1982), 27] that the Norwegian names Skúli and Ketill are unknown among Tostig's and Judith's families, so it seems unlikely that they were children of Judith, and it would be extremely difficult to identify them with the children of Judith mentioned above who were still infants in 1065. If these sons have been correctly attributed to Tostig (and that itself is not certain), then they would have been much more likely to have been born by a Norwegian wife or mistress prior to Tostig's marriage to Judith

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11/9/2015 at 12:23 PM

@Frank Harald Johansen The book Morkinskinna was written "around" 1220 and Heimskringla probably 10 years later (around 1230). Why do you leave this fact out that the books aren’t written so far apart? 10 years in the Middle ages is not a long time since people told stories that where hundreds of years old?

".... See in the Book Heimskringla in Chapter 102: "There came also with Olaf over the West sea Skule, a son of Earl Toste, and who since has been called the king's foster-son, and his brother Ketil Krok. Both were gallant men, of high family in England, and both were very intelligent; and the brothers were much beloved by King Olaf"... and onward"…. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/598/598-h/598-h.htm

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11/9/2015 at 1:21 PM

Skule, a son of Earl Toste, it could actually very well be the son of Toste, and why not? If he already had two sons, and were to be married with Judith, I can say that it wouldn't be hard to see her family demanding that earlier kids were to be sent away, so that Judith's children would be first in line. It would be a kind of political demand and concession in order to give permission for the marriage to take place.

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11/9/2015 at 2:35 PM

@Ulf Ingvar Göte Martinsson good point you make there!

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