List of managers

I'm not sure if you can do this-you can send to managers' from a profile. Alternatively if you start in messages you can add names of people you follow to a message and you can name that group or there are optionsto send to relatives or ' descendants of'. I hope this is helpful.

My problem is like this. I am having 1000 members in the tree who were entered by different persons at 2-3 levels. Now I want to include these as family group so that the full details of members is visible <private> <surname>. Currently I am going through the list page by page and inviting the 'managed by' person, which is time consuming. But if there is a way to find out who all are managing the individual groups, it becomes that much easier. Hope this clarifies.

The only other thing I can think of is try clicking on the' Family' tab at the top of the page where you'll find "lists". Next to your name Familytree click on "show advanced controls" where you may be able to achieve what you want (though I'm not sure l understand completely)

If you can't find a suitable 'list' then I'm not sure I can be of any assistance.

I wish you luck & hope I have been of some assistance

This is scary. You're wanting to open all private parts of the tree that are outside your family group.

To see everyone's personal details? To edit them, perhaps. To make your tree look pretty?

You may cop some abuse if the recipient realizes what you're doing, although I've had a similar request which was apparently successful. I know it was successful because the whole thing was then gemcos'd to Ancestry.

@Elaine Tregear @Terry Jackson (Switzer) : I should have explained better. The project is a community tree, to find out how all the members are related (may be 6 levels back). Hence we are entering only minimum details like first name, last name and circa. The idea was after it grows fairly big, to consult the elderly members to help in linking the various members to the other branches in the community tree.

The problem I am facing now is that I am able to see only the surnames of the members invited by email. Currently I am making them family members also so that the other details are available. But when the tree expands to many levels, I am finding it difficult to identify the members to invite as family.

The only option is that, I enter all the details so that all the above mentioned details are available. Bu for an expected tree membership of 15000 members spanning 7 generations, it is impractical. Geni does not give selective field level public/private option except surname. My tree currently has many <private> <surname> members, whom the senior elderly members will not be able to identify to link.

Please advise, if there is any other way to approach :)

Please understand that, I am aware/appreciate the security and privacy issues, Hence first/last names, year of birth , place of birth are the only fields being entered.

Okay I think I'm understanding a little better now - perhaps it would work better as a 'project' "name of community" then add all all profiles to the project -you could also have sub-projects to help organise the profiles into groups. There are discussions linked to projects but if communication is still an issue I'm not sure what else to advise except perhaps a Facebook group.

Hi Terry Jackson (Switzer), I appreciate the effort you have taken to respond to my query.
Your comment about project is very much right.

https://www.geni.com/share?t=6000000002378414741

I will give you the background. We have a sthanika community of about 500 families in my city (Bangalore, India). We meet frequently in a year for functions. What is observed is that the current generation being micro family, at the most may be able to relate about three generations, in introductions. But the elders around 70-80 yrs of age, when they hear the names, used to quote the interrelation, some times multi-links between these micro families, going back to 5-6 generations. These are not exposed to internet. The knowledge bank will expire in a few years. So we, about 10, planned to collect the minimum data from the micro families and then do the inter relation by sitting with elders. The problem is more complex because globally we feel the no.s could be 5000 families.

Since I was already exposed to Geni and also I knew about the merging of multiple trees, we wanted to take it as a project. A geni Pro account sthanika vrksa is created for the master tree. But currently to know the handicaps, I am using my tree as a pilot. For maintaining privacy, we decided minimum fields - First, last names, Birth Year, Circa and family names - which will help the elderly, to give the linkage.

However, our initial hurdle is that when I establish the relation link to a person in another tree, invite him by mail, and also make him the family member, I was still seeing some names as private, since managed by another linked member. This is where I am stuck now.

Tell me how the project concept and collaboration will address this issue? I feel still the collaborators, will not be able to see the details like first name etc., in the shared tree.

Guide me if you have worked on such requirements :)

Also in my tree though it has grown beyond 1000 members through invitees, I am able to see the members as around 580. How to find out the total number, since this is the only way I will be able to enthuse others to come forward :)

I have created a facebook group as a dashboard to to communicate.

Please elaborate on "add all all profiles to the project"and "sub-projects to help organise the profiles into groups"

I am in GMT +5.5hrs time zone, and if you are willing, can come on a chat, to clarify more doubts!

Regards...

Hi Terry Jackson (Switzer) this 'you are related to Terry Jackson (Switzer)' is because you are a curator, or is it genuine?

You
→ Leelavathi K
your mother → Seethamma K
her mother → Subraya Kudupi
her father → Padmanabhayya Kudpi
his brother → N Thungamma
his daughter → Sharada Rao Belle
her daughter → Karun Rao Belle
her son → Sujata Karunakar Belle
his wife → <private> Shanbhag
her mother → Shobha Dutt
her sister → Uttang Dutt
her son → Valentina Dutt
his wife → Lorna Braganza
her mother → Errol Pires
her brother → Seema Pires
his wife → <private> Nilkanth
her sister → Ajit Nilkanth
her husband → Anil Nilkanth
his brother → <private> Nilkanth
his wife → Nirmal John Singh
her brother → <private> Singh (Scott)
his wife → Ronny
her brother → <private> Scott (Dayal)
his wife → Sudhir Kumar Dayal
her father → Christo Dhan Dayal
his brother → Saraswati Asnath Dayal
his wife → <private> David (Mann)
her sister → John Chandren David
her son → Heather Marie David
his wife → Ardith (Art) Orla Ernst
her father → Mary Belle Ernst
his mother → Sarah Ann Whitmore
her mother → Caleb Meacham
her father → Joshua Meacham
his father → Dr. Thomas S. Meacham
his brother → Stephen Peabody Meacham
his son → Sylvia Ameretta Snyder
his daughter → John Snider
her husband → William Snider
his brother → Nancy Snider
his wife → Elizabeth Lawrence
her sister → Jacob Lawrence
her son → Anne Maria Lawrence
his wife → Henry Wilkinson
her father → Robert William Wilkinson
his brother → Robert Wilkinson
his son → Bob Wilkinson
his son → Florence Glencoe Timperley
his daughter → Doreen Rose Vincent
her daughter → Terry Jackson (Switzer)
her daughter

Regards....

Looks like we have a distant relationship -Geni truly is a world. The Wilkinsons l can definitely vouch for.

Try this & see if it helps:- see if you can find an example where the tree of a project member was 'private' to you. Are you a 'follower' of that project member? Are you a collaborator with that project member? 'Family group' is seen as within 4 generations.

My knowledge of your community & the families is not good enough to suggest how you would organise projects and sub-projects but rather I will share with you some examples:
Umbrella project:
http://www.geni.com/projects/1918-lnfluenza-Pandemic/24138

Some sub-projects:
http://www.geni.com/projects/1918-lnfluenza-Pandemic-India-Survivor...

http://www.geni.com/projects/1918-lnfluenza-Pandemic-India-Fataliti...

http://www.geni.com/projects/1918-Influenza-Pandemic-British-Isles-...

Umbrella Project:
http://www.geni.com/projects/Oxford-University/16725

sub-projects:
http://www.geni.com/projects/The-Queen-s-College-Oxford-University/...

http://www.geni.com/projects/Hertford-college-Oxford-University/24034

Umbrella Project:
http://www.geni.com/projects/World-War-I/12366

http://www.geni.com/projects/World-War-One-Armed-Forces-India/24233

Hopefully you'll begin to see how useful projects are for dealing with a large number of profiles.

Keep me posted on your progress with this interesting venture, and let me know if I can help any further.

Regards
Terry

Well Terry Jackson (Switzer), that is a great help. Let me go through the projects suggested. I will seek your help, as and when required. Great having discussion with you :)

Hi Terry Jackson (Switzer) , Is there a way to find out the actual members in a tree, added/managed by all managers? Can you tell me the count in my tree? If I publish the progress in dashboard, it will enthuse people to add :)

I couldn't think so consulted other curators and Eurika:

Hit the "family" link at the bottom of the profile, change list options to "family tree" and "claimed profiles", and voila!

Available to anyone with a paid subscription.

You have a direct link for "View Claimed Family" in the Actions menu on a profile.

Hi Terry Jackson (Switzer), Private User,
I will explain my requirement with an example.

I am Private User

Statistics
Family Tree 581
Blood Relatives 346
Ancestors 18
Descendants 3
Followers 6
Following 302
Profiles Added 86
Profiles Invited 12
Profiles Managed 135

The below person is invited by me and is made family group member

Subraya Ubarale

Subraya Ubarale is your wife's third cousin's wife's brother.

Statistics
Family Tree 1,116
Blood Relatives 322
Ancestors 14
Descendants 2
Followers 10
Following 1,416
Profiles Added 1,408
Profiles Invited 32
Profiles Managed 1,408

All these are visible in my tree.

Now how do I get the total members as (581+1116) assuming all are unique.

View claimed in my profile shows only 39.

I am building up the family tree currently in my account as a pilot (non paid) and after resolving teething problems intend to shift to:
Private User
whch is paid account. I am already connected as a family member in that account.
Hope this info will help you in understanding my requirement .
*** I wish geni had a chat option for me to explain better :) ***
Regards

I don't quite understand your maths.

Family is by definition like drawing a circle around yourself where the radius is a number of steps away from you (see first drawing in http://www.geni.com/company/privacy).
Geni's definition is up to fourth cousin on you and your wife, and first cousins on inlaws. You see this definition and can adjust it here: http://www.geni.com/account_settings/family

Subraya Ubarale which you tell is "your wife's third cousin's wife's brother" does of course have an overlapping family circle with yours, so you cannot claim that the families are unique.

Secondly: a "made family group member", which I assume is giving this person family group access (i.e. access to private profiles by using invite to family) is only an access option, and does not make them real family.

Third, which is more serious: Your claimed Pro account, is a claimed historical profile and are breaking Geni's Terms Of Use (http://www.geni.com/company/terms_of_use), and will be reacted on quite soon by Customer Serive.
I urgently ask you to make a "twin" where you transfer all information and profile image to, rename the claimed profile to your self, and curators like me can replace the claimed profile by this "twin" and finally merge it into your real profile. You will keep your Pro status, but have to make a final cleanup on primary email etc.
You can also contact Customer Service directly to make this move for you if you submit a Help request from your pro account here: http://help.geni.com/requests/new

As far from the above exchange of communication, I could conclude that the Geni creator's have not understood what is the Indian Family size. Here in India, I have 9 Uncles (Father's sibling) and 3 Aunts, and My wife has 10 Father's brothers and 10 Mother's Sisters and my wife sibling is 9. Just by entering these details it will cross 300+ blood relatives

"Family is by definition like drawing a circle around yourself where the radius is a number of steps away from you (see first drawing in http://www.geni.com/company/privacy).
Geni's definition is up to fourth cousin on you and your wife, and first cousins on inlaws. You see this definition and can adjust it here: http://www.geni.com/account_settings/family&quot;

Hi Private User, You have got me worried :(
"Your claimed Pro account, is a claimed historical profile and are breaking Geni's Terms Of Use"

Why are you saying sthānika vṛkṣa is a claimed historical profile? In Sanskrit language it means Sthanika (a community name) Tree, which is not a historical name like Mahatma Gandhi or George Washington. In fact none of the member names are having any historical significance, but you have got me worried. It is an account created by me to use as a master/community tree.

The first and second points are of course understood, I had used a simplified statement where me as well as Subraya Ubarale will certainly have some common family members. My requirement is, since the profiles created by him (x) and by me (y) are in the same tree, is there any way to find out the total no of profiles in the tree (sum in both sets: x+y- no. of common members).

The requirement is because, the project being community tree, with say 500 members adding to the same tree, can I show a growth progress as 1500 in first week, 3000 in second week, 6000 in third week and so on...

Please advise

Subraya Ubarale, - Sorry, what makes a family in India more special that others, and what is wrong with Geni's system, - simply defining a radius around yourself and count how many falls in under that circle, - if you want to find a number?

There is no number limitations, - an uncle is your uncle wether you have 30 or just one.

What I pinpointed is that you cannot take two related people and conclude that the number of family members should be the sum of each others family count, simply because being related means that there have to a lot of people witch falls within the family range of both.

You should not mix blood relatives and family either, - a blood relative is a person who have a common ancestor. A family is a more narrow group, also including your spouse and inlaws. My number of blood relatives is way over 5000 which is the max number Geni bother counting, and my family is according to Geni is 3613.

Dear Private User,

As I understand, Geni has limited the family definition as stated by you, to ensure privacy, appreciated, else any person connected (as different to related) will be able to edit the profile information. As per the definition my brother is related to me, while Subraya Ubarale is connected to me.

Please help me in resolving the requirements raised in previous post.
Regards

Private User, - Private User, which is your fifth great grandparent is by definition a claimed historical profile - whatever name you put on it and whatever the intention with it is.

According to the Geni terms only real Geni users are allowed, - something a fifth great grandparent cannot be.

There is also a privacy issue involved because also claimed historical profiles also will have it's privacy range, making a locked area in the historical lines (but I notice in your case that the profiles around is made public - but genderless of some reason).

Private User Ha ha That's a real bouncer :)
Read my posts above about the purpose of this project:

Since this is to be a community tree to take care of the unconnected families, I thought of a virtual ancestor, sthānika vṛkṣa (gender less), from whom all family lines began. In fact the top three genderless persons viśva samparka jāla (world wide web), sthānika vṛkṣa and mūla pūrvaja (Root ancestor) are in this category. Other families are supposed to branch off from one of these. The idea was to purely avoid anticipated friction amongst families (and respect some of which, are going back to 7-8 generations)

And you have axed it :)

Suggest from community tree perspective of logging all members (I know about split option - but like to avoid it) The tree may grow to 50000 members hopefully...
Regards...

I will sleep on this (Almost 11PM now)
Since it is my brain child, should I make sthānika vṛkṣa my virtual child, to retain the name as sthānika vṛkṣa?
Regards...

Private User
Ignore my last comment.. Advise how to resolve this.
The sthānika vṛkṣa does not have any activity except that my tree has become a part of it by inviation. All the data is in my tree only.
Regards...

Private User:

Did the following. Deleted two virtual members on top from sthānika vṛkṣa. Renamed sthānika vṛkṣa as Pranav B (my second son), moved on to my son and merged as same person. Disconnected descendants which had moved. Seems to be OK. Now no virtual members. Account is inherited by my son Pranav B, with mail id also properly mapped.

Your comments please.

It's OK for me.