Col. Edmund Scarborough - Scarborough UNfair!

Working...some names have been corrected.

Yet another cluster

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Is this Him and is it correct? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=63974063 Samuel Scarborough Burial:
North Walsham Churchyard
North Walsham
North Norfolk District
Norfolk, England

Created by: Kelley Ward
Record added: Jan 09, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 63974063

That's Samuel Scarburgh, yes.

The information on his brother Edmund is a bit "off", because Capt. Edmund Scarburgh never used a middle name (middle names weren't a "thing" yet), and Edmund's wife was not born a Butler. (She could have been the widow of one - she was a widow when she married Edmund, although her late husband of record was a Mercer. But extensive primary records have been found proving she was born a Smith, and of exactly which family.) Also the photograph for *Captain* Edmund Scarburgh is of a memorial stone for his son, *Colonel* Edmund Scarburgh. I suppose it was the best they could do.

There are errors on Colonel Edmund's wife too - she was *not* a Littleton. (This was probably based on multiple mis-identifications of Mary sister of Col. Nathaniel Littleton with Mary wife of Col. Edmund Scarburgh.) She also had no middle name, had nothing to do with the Carletons or Charltons, was probably born a Harmer (the available evidence points in that direction) and may have been the widow of a Cade.

would you like me to add the Find a grave info?

Maven I added his but the other info for family is different here http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=2383953

Findagrave.com is not infallible, particularly when it has to rely on reports from descendants and researchers (amateur as well as professional). Even the information carved in stone is not always 100% accurate.

*Always* cross-check with other sources if you can. The best source (and even it has flaws) for Accomack/Northampton Co VA is the Miles Files http://espl-genealogy.org/MilesFiles/site/index.htm. The site owner takes his work *very* seriously and documents everything up the yin-yang as much as he possibly can.

Samuel Scarburgh has been re-Vandalized into a bogus "Edmund Scarburgh", and attached to a bogus "Mary Ann Charlton" who was not his wife.

I have repeatedly told Michael Dave Barnes that he doesn't know what he is meddling with. He refuses to listen and insists on reapplying his bogus misinformation. I have Reported him as a Vandal.

I also found out that he had WRECKED a profile I had originally posted, distorting her into the nonexistent "Mary Ann Charlton". That forced me into deleting her.

We should NOT be having Vandalism Wars on Geni - but we *are*.

Angus Wood-Salomon,Erica Howton,Dan Cornett, Eldon Lester Clark, ALL Curators - HELP!!!!!

Col. Edmund Scarburgh, Jr.may also help as she curates the profile quoted. (I would help but really don't know this area!)

oops wrong link!
Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c)

Private User,
I sent him a message with a link to this.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCARBOROUGH/2001-03/0...

After looking at your statement above, It looks like you on't agree with the Littleton either.

Erica Howton,

How well do you know this area of the tree?

Mary Scarburgh

Linda, it looks as though Mary Scarburgh *can't* have been a Littleton. Col. Nathaniel Littleton had an older sister Mary, but she married a Gilbert Jones and made her home in Wales, never coming to America. He had no daughter named Mary. No other members of this family are on record as coming to Virginia either.

An unrelated John Littleton showed up a couple of generations later, but that is much too late.

Thomas Teackle Upshur, a noted Eastern Shore genealogist from the late 1800's, claimed that she was a Mary Cade. Supporting evidence for this appears to be limited to her having a great-granddaugher named Mary Cade Wise.

Reasons for thinking she was Mary Harmar include:

* Baptism record for Mary, daughter of John Harmar at Westminster, London, England 26 Dec 1613 (fourth of his four children christened there);

* Presence of a John and Charles Harmar on the Eastern Shore of Virginia, owning property near the Scarboroughs;

* Charles Harmar, brother of John (Greek Reader of the University of Oxford), was the first husband of Ann Southey; Ann later married Col. Nathaniel Littleton;

* John (Greek Reader of the University of Oxford) Harmar had a son Thomas who resided at Jamestown and owned lands near Capeville, Northampton Co, VA.

* It's all very circumstantial, and there are reasons for thinking that the Greek professor at Oxford may *not* have been the one who fathered the four children christened at Winchester (chiefly, he was a bit on the young side for that).

As for Cades, the first surviving record of any on the Eastern Shore was a James Cade, who got a Mary Chambers "in trouble" in 1663 and may have absconded after being summoned to court. Mary was at the time indentured to George Truitt, who agreed to pay the fine for her "fornication". No further information about Mary or her child is available.

Accomack/Northampton is not Erica's field of knowledge (she specializes in Colonial New England and early Shenandoah Valley). But it is perforce mine - I'm related to most of those people seven ways from Sunday. (In fact, Col. Edmund Scarburgh (II) is a direct ancestor, certainly on the wrong side and probably on both sides of the blanket.)

I will not be doing any more Scarburgh profile correcting until this situation is investigated and an appropriate resolution arrived at.

Naomi 'Amy' Davis? & Unknown Profile

Have been disconnected from not their husband / father Samuel Scarburgh, Esq.

They need to be merged into to the likely "existing master profiles"

Genealogy source: http://espl-genealogy.org/MilesFiles/site/p201.htm#i20054

Donald Franklin Colvin if you're available to jump in for the fix, we could use more Virginia natives.

This family "had been" in good shape on Geni. I had worked on the line some time ago.

A general rule of thumb is to contact a curator before making radical changes to an existing Geni tree.

Blame that on the Vandal "Sir" Michael Dave Barnes. He messed the tree over, adding spurious profiles and mutating others into bogus "Edmund Scarborough"s to support his fallacious and mendacious claim that "Mary Ann Charlton" was the "wife" of Col. Edmund Scarburgh (and, apparently, his "ancestress" through spurious lines running through the William Scarburgh of Surry County VA who was hanged in 1677 as an accomplice to the Bacon Rebellion).

Fact: There is no "Mary Ann Charlton". There never was. Col. Edmund Scarburgh's wife was named Mary - JUST Mary - and she was not a Littleton, Potts, OR Charlton.

Fact: ANNE - just Anne (possibly born a Barlowe), married 1) Anthony Huffe, 2) Anthony West I, 3) Capt. Stephen Charlton.

Fact: Anne's daughter by Anthony West I, Katherine West, married 1) Ralph Barlow (this may be where the "Barlowe" actually comes in), 2) Charles Scarburgh (NOT the son of Col. Edmund Scarburgh, but probably a close cousin), 3) Major Edmund Bowman.

Fact: Katherine West and Charles Scarburgh had one son, Henry, who named his MATERNAL grandmother Ann Charlton in his will. (I got all kind of BS about how this will meant that Col. Edmund's wife "had to" be Ann or Mary Ann Charlton! WTF?)

Fact: Anne's son by Anthony West I, Lt. Col. John West of Accomack, married Col. Edmund and Mary's daughter Matilda Scarburgh. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE UNLESS ANNE AND MARY ARE TWO DIFFERENT WOMEN.

Erica Howton - I'm sort of backed up at the moment...

I've still got a few folks waiting on some other things in the queue ahead of this... I'll be happy to start looking into it as soon as I can...

As regards Capt. Stephen Charlton: he's yet another case of "antecedents unknown" (this was actually fairly common in the first two or three generations).

He was born in 1602.

Henry Charlton (born 1606, d. c. 1637) may have been his brother (there is no documentation to prove this). No record of any wife or children.

Grace Charlton (born 1615, m. 1) John Waltham, 2) Capt. Richard Vaughan, 3) Lt. Col. William/Thomas Lambert) is the only sister of his/theirs that we have any records of.

Capt. Stephen Charlton married twice (that we have records of): 1) Bridget Pott(s) (two daughters, Bridgett and Elizabeth - no Mary) and 2), late in both their lives, Anne widow of Anthony Huffe and Anthony West. Anne was probably not capable of having any more children by then, so no Mary/Mary Ann from her either, not to mention that would be way too late.

Thanks, Donald. I think there are genealogy mysteries lurking that could use more intensive investigation - your skill! In the meantime I think we'll be OK conforming according to the Miles files.

Maven -

Reverted notes in Samuel say:

"He, his brother Edmund Scarburgh, and most of Edmund's family were the first of the Scarborough family to migrate from England to America sometime around 1620."

But the Miles files does not have an Edmund son of Henry?

http://espl-genealogy.org/MilesFiles/site/p201.htm#i20044

Nor one in his WILL???

Nope, no Edmund son of Henry and Mary.

For that matter no record of any wife or child of Samuel Scarburgh, and if he did visit Virginia, he didn't like it well enough to set down roots there - he went right back home to North Walsham, Norfolk, England and finished out his life there.