John Neville - NOT the son of Sir Henry Neville, MP

Axed....

Thanks, Ben. That link looked awfully suspicious to me, but I had to compare at least two sources before getting the facts clear (History of Parliament Online forgot about Henry the author).

I don't think this John Neville is the son of Sir Edward Neville. See: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/NEVILLE4.htm#John%20NEVILLE1. Timeline doesn't seem to match.

Id he's not Sir Henry's, and he's not Sir Edward's, then whose *is* he? Are we any closer to finding that out? (Tudorplace must be used with extreme caution, as they aren't at all careful about checking their information.)

See also: http://thepeerage.com/p121.htm#i1202. We will probably never know who he really is - especially given the variation of the last name.

Axed both sets of parents (somebody must have been Bad-Merging again).

There is, or was, actually a Society of John Neville Descendants, which had a newsletter, 1976-1980.

According to them: Focus is on the descendants of John Neville (born 1612), an Englishman who immigrated in 1634, and waas one of the founders of the province of Maryland, later known as Calvert County, Maryland. He married three times; his wives were Bridget Thorsesby, Ann (?) who died ca. 1647, and Johanna Porter. John Neville died in Port Tobacco, Charles County, Maryland, in 1664. In the 1700's, some Neville families moved to Pennsylvania and Virginia. During the 1800's, some migrated to Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Oregon, and Tennessee. Later descendants and relatives also lived in England, and in Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, North and South Carolina, Oklahoma, Texas, West Virginia, and elsewhere. https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/33475?availability=Family%2...

A good bit more about John Nevill(e) here, including a different birth date (1618) and some scandalous conduct: https://geesnmore.wordpress.com/charles-gee-bridget-neville/neville...

This discussion http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NEVILLE/2008-08/12194... points out that there were evidently two men of the same name in the same colony at the same time, and the reprehensible behavior (and "wife Ann") may belong to the other one.

No one has reliable information on where, when, or of whom John Neville (either of them) was born.

Something else to watch out for: there were also Nevetts and Nevitts in the area, and poor handwriting could easily confuse them with the Nevill(e)s, especially with the final E left off.

Note: Wilson Lumkin in hisown writing thought his ancestor, John Neville, of Maryland was from THE NEVILLE family. WAS HE MISTAKEN ? YOURS, (csaunders61@yahoo.com) / Charles Saunders/245-18th Avenue NE/St.Pete./Fla(33704)

He might think so, but as of now there is no proof. We know two sets of people he wasn't the son of, but that doesn't tell us whose son he *was*.

Yeah, but Wilson Lumpkin's grandmother was an actual descendant of John Neville II (the one who came over on the "ARK" of "ARK and Dove" fame). DON'T you think that he would know from informal FAMILY HISTORY and /or Genealogy research-at that time-who his REAL ancestors were (and how to spell their names)? Plus he was 160 years closer to the event itself than we are now. By the way, (if we are to believe "GENI" itself) Wilson Lumpkin's ancestor, Jacob Lumpkin was himself directly descended from the STAFFORDS and the NEVILLES. among others.

When did he do the research? What I found was that he stated his grandmother was a Neville...and left it at that. Need more source work.

Just because somebody believes something, doesn't mean it is (or isn't) true. My grandmother thought *her* grandmother was a Custis - she was a Cutler. Close but no cigar.

Now, you're even saying John Neville II (or Nevill) didn't even come over on the ARK at all when I see on another site on INTERNET that Maryland records record in his own words when he and his wife came over.......and he very definitely came over on the ARK. NO doubt, this is some MORE of your "AXE" work on genealogy as you yourself put it.

Be careful, there's a lot of garbage out on the Internet. And please lose the attitude - it won't get you very far.

On balance it seems probable that John Nevill(e) of "Ark and Dove" (he would have arrived on the "Ark" because "Dove" was basically a supply ship) is the John Nevill(e) who settled in at Port Tobacco, Charles County, MD and had two documented wives: Bridget Thoresby and Johanna Porter, and children by one or both of them.

At some point in the 1650s another John Nevill(e) took up residence at "The Clifts", Calvert County, MD, and had a wife Anne who predeceased him. Either he had no children, or they all died young too, because he mentioned neither wife nor child(ren) in his will.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/neville/2008-08/12193...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/neville/2008-08/12193...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/neville/2008-08/12193...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/neville/2008-08/12193...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/neville/2008-08/12193...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/neville/2008-08/12194...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/neville/2008-08/12194...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/neville/2008-08/12194...

My apologies for any excess duplication - I was doing a very "quick & dirty" research job.

At this point I do not have a particularly high opinion of the findings of William F. Boogher - his research seems slapdash and slipshod, at best (especially when compared with the meticulous and indefatigable Harry Wright Newman, who worked later in the 20th century).

Sir Edward Neville, 6th Baron Abergavenny came back as a parent. I disconnected and locked relationships.