Barnat family

Pam Karp is the Curator on the South African Jewish lines. She might be able to help.

HI Lizette,
I found 17 persons with estates in the Transvaal and Free State Archives.
I can help with the Transvaal and Pieter Taljaard in the Free State.
There might be costs as there are always a price to pay. That is if you are in a hurry.
I am 90 km from Pretoria but Pieter goes to the Bloemfontein archive quite often.
If you are in a hurry I can supply you with information on other researchers that takes photos in the archives as well. But as said it is work and time and there fees vary from R60-R100 per estate but they take a few photos as to give you all the information.
Does this one look familiar?
You can give more detail and we might find the correct one
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 2396/38
PART 1
DESCRIPTION WOLMARANS, MAGDALENA ELIZABETH PETRONELLA. BORN BARNAT.
STARTING 19380000
ENDING 19380000
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE NICOLAAS JACOBUS WOLMARANS.
Juds

O you can e-mail me at judimeyer@mweb.co.za.
Juds

Lizette ek dink dit is hy noudat ek die profiel bekyk het. Sorry cuz Sharon, forgot the English.
That in short then says she pased away in 1938 leaving her husband as a widower. Gids is dit reg gesê?
Juds☺

Earliest4 was all in the Free State 1857, 1861, 1882 and 1885.
Juds

Names- Pam Karp and Lizette Buitendag here is the names.
VAB- Free State-
Martins Christoffel Botha S/S Elizabeth Magdalena Barnat/Barnot/Barnard
Christina Wilhelmina Barnatt/Barnard S/Spouse George Morgan Norval
Jacobus Frederik Nicolaas Barnat S/S Maria Gordina Knoetze
Louis Susanna Smith Married to Christiaan Barnat.
TAB- Pretoria
Karlin Barnat S/S Ester Idelson
Jacobus Matjan Barnaat S/S Cornelia Margaretha Reeders
Magdalena Elizabeth Petronella Barnat S/S Nicolaas Jacobus Wolmarans
Mmartha Wilhelmina Barnat
Maria Gloudina Knoetze Predeceased spouse Jacobus Frederik Nicolaas Barnat
Juds

Thank you Judi

Go Judi!

Judi, these names as far as I can find do not have Jewish relatives.
All are very unfamiliar.

I will get them in any case when I go again Pam and Pieter as I said previously does it as a favour and to help users. As they are not to many I gave him the VAB - Free State list then we can try and find out.
Pam maybe we open a can of unknown people here. Like the one I found last week and you could immediately place the/a family.
Hold thumbs.

Hi Judi,

The first set of details seem to be the correct estate. But I am currently working on a great many branches of my family tree. I would be stuck paying thousands and thousands of rands for others to go to archives for me.

I was just hoping someone might recognize the name as belonging to their family.

Thank you so very much for the offer though! :-)

No problem Lizette. I will get it for you and I have sent some others through to Pieter that he will look up.
No charge.
Mooi dag
Judi

I am also interested in the BARNARD farmily, particularly Marthinus Christoffel Barnard born c 1850 and notice that in the NHK baptismal records for Potchefstroom (and surrounding areas) the name is often written as BARNAT. It appears that this is possibly how it sounded to the Dominee. Sometimes the same parent's surname is spelt Barnard and at others Barnat. Does not appear to be Jewish but Dutch/Afrikaans. I have found a few Wolmarans (and Wolmarand) married to Barnard/Barnat but not the names you seek.

Lizette, Pieter have sent a few barnats he has found between the OVS estates to me. I have it and it seems it is one line of Barnard that preferred Barnat.
That happens. It is the same in the Marnewick field where one family is Marneweck and one Manewyk. My moms family.
My husbands mom again were Dirkse van Schalkwyk but her fathers eldest brothers family goes under the name Dircksen van Schalkwyk.
I am loading as I go on. Just keep an eye open or email me and I will send the photos one to you. But you can download it from here under sources as well.
Charlette you are correct in your understanding. I saw one ABW(ABO) tombstone of children in the Irene camp where the names are Barnat, Barnard. A few childrens memorial added as one.
But in the case of the one I loaded yesterday the person as well as his daughter signed there name Barnat but I am sure they will fall in line with Barnard.
I am Afrikaans so if this is krom en skeef, please ignore.☺
Regards
Judi

Judi. You are a star! Thank you so much. I will keep an eye on her profile. if you need help I will add profiles too. I will PM you my e-mail address.

Thanks Lizette. Did you receive those documents?
See on the Barnat the latest I have sourced and added and let me know which ones you would like to have the photos from.
Always a pleasure if I can just help.