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12/6/2014 at 11:41 PM

... mother of Susanna who is only 3 years younger than her

12/29/2014 at 9:20 AM

I do not know what to say about any of what you wrote, except that I did not add that to my tree, and frankly, the whole thing was taken over by other folk (I hope that they are related to me, but I have no way to know). I have not really added anything for about two years. Anyway, looks like we are cousins--so Hello!

12/29/2014 at 8:13 PM

Hello Beverly, nice to meet you.
I like to start Discussions about difficult profiles in the hope that it might prompt active managers to participate in cleaning the mess.
If no one responds it eventually just becomes a note to myself to revisit the profile at some time.

12/29/2014 at 8:40 PM

I think this is the book it refers to.....
http://www.archive.org/stream/contributionsfor00pearuoft/contributi...
Hope that helps some.

12/29/2014 at 8:49 PM

VAN DEB BOGABT [Bpghardij] Harmen Myndertse,
came to the province in 1631. as a surgeon in the
W. I. Company's ship JSendraght, and was appointed
commissary of Fort Orange; he came to a violent
death in 1647 or, 8. His wife Gillisje Claese Schouw
[Swits(?)], of Zierickzee, after his death, m. Jan
Labatie. Ch: Frans, bp. in New York, Aug. 26,
1640 ; Myndert, bp. in New York, May 3, 1643 ; Lys-
beth, who m. Harmen Janse Knickelbakker.

12/29/2014 at 8:52 PM

If this is true then Susanna can't be the daughter of Gillisje.

12/29/2014 at 9:00 PM

She could be the daughter of Jean Labatie from a previous marriage, but I haven't found anything that shows that so far.

12/29/2014 at 9:03 PM

Labatie (Labaddie), Jan, a nativejof France came
to Beverwyck previous to 1634, subsequently commis-
saristo the Patroon of Rensselaerswyck, afterwards
held a like office at Fort Orange under the W. I.
Company. (? Callaghmi's Hist. N. N. i, 434. He
bought and sold various lots of ground in Albany and
Schenectady. His wife was jillesje Claes [Swits]
aunt of Claes aud Isaac Cornelise Swits of Schenec-
tady, and widow of Surgeon Harmen Myndertse
Vander Bogart. It is not known that he left any
children.

12/31/2014 at 4:56 PM

What do you think, Alex Moes. Does Susanna look like she needs to be detached from these parents? Perhaps Jan is her brother? But I haven't found anything on that.

12/31/2014 at 5:33 PM

George J. Homs what do you think?

1/1/2015 at 12:05 AM

I'm a bit lost as I don't see where Susanna has gone :-)
I actually have questions about daughter Lysbet, married to a Harmen Janse Knickerbacker. These could be duplicates for a Lysbet that is attached to another father - Jan Bogaert. The latter is suggested by a Wikipedia page that relies on the Alstyne genealogies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmen_Jansen_Knickerbocker. However, Alstyne AND the records also seem to refer to a Lysbeth Harmense - which would suggest that she was a daughter of our Harmen van der Bogaert. This Lysbet seems to have thousands of descendants.
Not sure if we have to try and solve that here as it takes us deeper into Albany genealogies - and I think I currently rather stay on New Amsterdam for the moment.

1/2/2015 at 4:43 PM

Then we leave it as it is for now.

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