William 'of Shalford' Allgar - Something is hinky here

Started by Private User on Wednesday, December 3, 2014
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Private User
12/3/2014 at 9:23 PM

He has the exact same death date as his putative father, Sir Robert Algore - seventeen years before his putative wife was even born, and some forty-three years before his putative son was.

Sir Robert Algore is generally said to have had only one surviving (legitimate?) child, a daughter Agnes.

The most likely answer is that he is not Sir Robert's son and his dates have been crocked.

Alternatively, he may have been extramarital, therefore ineligible to inherit - and his dates are still crocked.

Private User
12/3/2014 at 9:40 PM

I also disbelieve the Parr link to Bridget Allgar - it's much too prominent, too recently, and there is at least one timey-wimey snarl in it: Ann Margaret Lyngwood , born 57 years before her "father".

12/3/2014 at 10:23 PM

She's been disconnected now. If she has known parents, they can now be found. Impossible when attached like that.

12/3/2014 at 10:29 PM

Wife's dates

Mary Deol Allgar (Smith)
Place of Burial: Lindsell, Essex, United Kingdom
Birth: circa 1510
Lindsell, Essex, England
Death: 1569 (59)
Lindsell, Essex, England

Look pretty impossible ....

Private User
12/3/2014 at 10:47 PM

Her dates are in-line, husband's are are way out of line. IMHO he's not any son of Sir Robert Algore and wasn't born before c. 1500.

12/3/2014 at 11:29 PM

Ah - well, let's look at the children & see if it unsnarls that way

12/3/2014 at 11:37 PM

Richard Westley

Who are you & why are you married to our heiress?

I see no reason to think William of Shalford had these parents. Disconnecting but not making placeholder unknown parents as yet.

Presumably Agnes' brother Robert d.s.p.?

Private User
12/4/2014 at 7:02 AM

This has much to do with the Fitches but mentions Agnes Algore and family in passing:

http://stanleyhistory.net/descnarratives/WilliamFitch.htm

Mr Westerley, I think, may have been a "widow's consolation", since Agnes seems to have outlived Thomas Fitch by almost twenty years. ;-)

Private User
12/4/2014 at 7:06 AM

More Fitches, and it looks as though Mr Westerley actually did his widow-consoling a couple of generations later: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=loren...

Private User
12/4/2014 at 7:08 AM

Oops, make that earlier - he seems to have been Thomas Fitch's stepfather.

12/4/2014 at 11:49 AM

Had had the feeling he drifted in from up or down the time stream ...

12/4/2014 at 12:42 PM

This one is a bit difficult?

Julianna Westley

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dpenix/penix/PS19... (no refs) has father & different death date

http://stanleyhistory.net/descnarratives/WilliamFitch.htm has

John Fitch, son of the above William, was born in Wicken Bonhunt, Essex no later than 1437, based upon the fact that the Manor Court reported his age in 1467 as being “30 years or more”. He died prior 09 April 1469, the date of the Manor Court reporting his death. He married ca 1464, in Wicken Bonhunt, Juliana (–) whose surname and ancestry is unknown. Julianna (–) married, as he second husband, in 1468+ at Wicken Bonhunt, Richard Westerly and she died about 1475.

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12/4/2014 at 1:20 PM

If she's an heiress surely we can find her parents?

Margaret Algore, of Brasonhead & Lindsell

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