Elizabeth Brune - Same or different 'Elizabeth Brune's?

Started by Dan Cornett on Sunday, November 23, 2014
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11/23/2014 at 8:49 PM

This (current) compare: http://www.geni.com/search/matches?id=6000000003888634360&cmp=btn has what looks like might be the same person ... but might also be mis-identified parents and/or spouse of one or two of them ...

(6000000003888634360) -> Unknown Profile
(6000000019376383554) -> Elizabeth Brune
(6000000027541360316) -> Unknown Profile

All three of them have different enough children ... and I haven't (after a quick look) seen any obvious 'supporting documents (or even conjecture) that these disparate children are all siblings.

So, if anyone has any pointers to help resolve this apparent dilemma, that would be appreciated!

11/23/2014 at 10:46 PM

Doing some cleanup going back a couple of generations (BTW - siblings are missing!)

There's a good family study here:

http://home.comcast.net/~wdegidio/Hall/hallfamily4.htm

From the notes in the profile for John Hall, of Ford, Gent.

Children

1. Thomas Hall, b. c1566 Wiltshire d. c1600, eldest son.
2. John Hall II b. c1570 Wiltshire d. 3/19/1631 m. Elizabeth Brune, dau. of Henry of Athelhampton, co., Dorset.

So let me progress over to the Brune family ...

11/23/2014 at 10:57 PM

The problem isn't Elizabeth Brune - it's that they don't have their own 12 children; they are clearly listed in the overview for John Hall, of Bradford, Esq.

On Geni they seem to have mostly acquired Some Other Guy's. :(

Cutting loose the Hellem's and immigrants to New England.

As mentioned, we're missing plenty of profiles for "actual" family.

11/23/2014 at 11:57 PM

John Hall II b. c1570 d. 3/19/1631
 
http://home.comcast.net/~wdegidio/Hall/hallfamily4.htm

A Wiltshire genealogist discovered eleven children of John and Elizabeth (Brune) Hall in the Holy Trinity Church records. From these records we learn the names of four additional sons who died at a young age, Brune, Edward, Henry and Nicholas. Nicholas is suspected to be the name of the eldest son of Elizabeth Hall and John Cottrell of Bradford on Avon, and the Rhode Island Nicholas Cottrell was closely associated with the Hall family of early Rhode Island. 

Elizabeth was the daughter of Henry Brune and Elizabeth Martyn. A Memorial Brass dated 1595 is dedicated to Nicholas Martyn and is located at St Mary's Church in Puddletown, Dorset. This 16th Century brass depicts Nicholas Martyn, bareheaded, in armour, kneeling before an altar on which is an open book. Behind him are his three sons, who all predeceased him. ... Nicholas Martyn's four daughters were given equal shares to the estate; his eldest daughter married Henry Brune.

....  1. William and John Hall are shown as sons of John and Elizabeth (Brune) Hall on the Bradford on Avon Hall pedigree, and both are named as sons in his will. William and John Hall disappear from Bradford on Avon records following the death of their father in 1631. In 1637, William and John Hall appear in early records during the early formation of Newport, RI.

11/24/2014 at 10:54 AM

Thanks, Erica!

11/24/2014 at 3:48 PM

I hope we can interest you (and others) into getting the rest of their children onto Geni. I'll go take a look for daughter Elizabeth Cottrell in fact ...

11/24/2014 at 7:18 PM

Dan - I think we can safely say Elizabeth Brune's mother was Elizabeth Martyn. I updated the overview & here's a link to a Brune pedigree:

http://www.myhubbardmtn.com/family%20htm/sir%20ingelram%20brune.htm

11/25/2014 at 11:36 AM

I've added the other children; Elizabeth seems to be a 12th child (most references have only 11) because she is mentioned in the will.

11/25/2014 at 2:06 PM

Very nice!

More Brune pedigree here

http://www.archerfamily.org.uk/family/wadham.htm

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