Sir Thomas Mirfyn, Lord Mayor of London - Was his wife Alice Marshall or Alice Squire?

Started by Erica Howton on Tuesday, November 11, 2014
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11/11/2014 at 1:51 AM

I find no evidence for Alice Marshall. Does anyone else have?

See http://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000029452356931 and his will here http://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000029453477201

11/11/2014 at 2:13 AM

Also there's a birthdate issue for the 2 surviving daughters, supposedly by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth Donne. In 1523, Mary is married, Frances is not. When did Dame Alice die?

11/11/2014 at 2:35 AM
11/11/2014 at 2:50 AM

Birth date issue on Alice North

Born 1514, widow with 3 children at 2nd marriage before 1527? Age 13?

11/11/2014 at 3:12 AM

I'm not the only one confused by Alice Squire vs Alice Marshall, and this one also questions the Cromwell line:

From http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~whosyomama/3/2146...

Thomas Merfyn's daughter Frances married Richard Williams als Cromwell. Frances is said to be dau of Elizibeth Donne rather than of Alice, but Eliz's children would be born only 1519-1523. Frances is reported to have died in 1533. She was buried at Stepney 20 Feb 1533 (=1533/4?) Yet she is reportedly the mother of Henry and Francis Cromwell. Henry (who married Joan Warren) was admitted to Lincoln's Inn only in 1557.

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11/11/2014 at 4:30 AM

Sir Thomas Mirfyn,Lord Mayor of London is listed as having three wives,Alice Mervyn Born Sept 14,1472 Beverley Yorkshire England.Second wife Alice Murfn born 1480,third wife Elizabeth Denys born between 1495-1500 London Middlesex England

11/11/2014 at 1:19 PM

But that's not correct, Judy. He had two wives: Dame Alice, who died around 1619; and Elizabeth Don, who survived him. He had 15 ? children, 4 surviving: George the monk; Edward; Mary & Frances. I will post an easier to read version of his will which makes it clearer, only 2 wives.

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11/11/2014 at 1:33 PM

this is my linkhttp://www.geni.com/path/Judy-Rice+is+related+to+Sir-Thomas-Mirfyn-... on the profile pic it lists 3 wives

11/11/2014 at 2:19 PM

Judy - the Geni tree is wrong.

So we need to source it better and fix the picture.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=john%...

His will in 1623 is transcribed on this external link.

He names his deceased wife as Dame Alice, and his current wife as Elizabeth, daughter of Angel Don, Alderman. So that profile seems correct.

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9/24/2015 at 5:46 AM

Dear Cousin,
This is another example of that duplicate problem I keep talking about. I deleted his name so that should be a tip off. They are both married to Elizabeth, (same same again) but one WM is my great grandf and the other pops up as a great uncle. I think if you can track Ragnar back to our present you would see it. By the way you're on old no name as a manager too besides me. it was an error merge the middle name was misspelled so that's why he was showing up as another person instead of the same, and I don't know how to correct it...or I would have.
Thanks Again
Bill

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