Sir Neil Montgomery of Lainshaw

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Private User
10/1/2014 at 11:31 AM

Patricia Ann Scoggin

Not sure why this line has been broken?? The families arms clearly are this family's tree.

Major William "Hugh" Montgomery

MONTGOMERY OR MONTGOMERIE Arms Quarterly first and fourth azure three fleur de lis or for Montgomery second and third gul s Three annuUts or stoned azure for E glint on all within a border of the second charged with a double tressure of the third Crest For Montgomery an arm embowed in armor the hand grasping a broken spear head drooping all ppr Motto Honeur sans Repos

The first Earl of Eglinton Hugh Montgomerie third Lord Montgomerie died 1545 having married Lady Helen the daughter of Colin the first Earl of Argyll Their third son Sir Neil Montgomery married about 1500 Margaret the daughter and heiress of Quintin Mure Laird of Skeldon Their son Sir Neil Montgomery II of Lainshaw married Jean, the daughter of John and Grisel (Betoun) Montgomery.

If you view the photo below, this "Coat of Arms is Clearly" ....

MONTGOMERY OR MONTGOMERIE Arms Quarterly first and fourth azure three fleur de lis or for Montgomery second and third gul s Three annuUts or stoned azure for E glint on all within a border of the second charged with a double tressure of the third Crest For Montgomery an arm embowed in armor the hand grasping a broken spear head drooping all ppr Motto Honeur sans Repos

http://www.geni.com/photo/view/6000000028438154872?album_type=photo...

Private User
10/1/2014 at 11:32 AM

http://www.geni.com/path/Ian-Winton+is+related+to+Major-Hugh-Montgo...

Ian Winton
You



Winton
your father


Steve M. Winton
his father



Claude Winton
his father



Stephen "S.M." Mordykey Winton
his father



Gilbert Winton
his father



Stephen Winton
his father



James Winton, Sr.
his father



Rev. John Winton
his brother



Mary Montgomery
his daughter



John Alexander Montgomery
her husband



Alexander Montgomery
his father



John Montgomery
his father



Alexander Montgomery
his father



Maj. John Montgomery
his father



Major Hugh Montgomery
his father

Private User
10/1/2014 at 11:34 AM
10/1/2014 at 1:10 PM

Ian,
Please feel free to take over management for the profiles I added ---Maj Hugh and son, Maj John... The reason they may be separate is because we started a new profile for Major John Montgomery who was the husband of Margaret Dunbar (already in system with children, just no husband listed!!!) [Maj. John Montgomery]. His Father was added since we had info on him... I think Erica added the coat of arms... feel free to change it if you know for sure that it is Maj. John's (1665-1721) or Hugh's.

This Maj. John Montgomery is my 5th cousin 11 times removed, so if you have a closer relationship feel free to take over working on his line... I moved him because where his profile was didn't match the info in his profile--we had 2 different men. Then after getting this profile created where it should be and working on the other profile, I found that the William Montgomery I had spent almost a wk on getting things cleaned up for him wasn't the Alexander I (1705)'s father after all, hence a discussion about his father/parents... Erica disconnected the William & Isabella (Burnett) as his parents based on DNA results--William was heplogroup J & Alex I was "I".

I hope this helps some. Feel free to change the coat of arms if appropriate.
The Montgomery line is soooooooo frustrating!!! Tooooo many Alexanders, Williams and even Johns!!!

Pat

10/1/2014 at 1:17 PM

Private User

I think I got this connected back up right. Can you check?

To request management, go to profile view > actions menu > management options > request to add as manager.

As you know there are different Montgomery lines (I think you're a double, triple or more ...)

William of Brigend got smerged (smush / merge) into the wrong Montgomery line. So we had to recreate. I moved over your documents.

Private User
10/1/2014 at 1:33 PM

Yes Erica Howton, I believe this looks proper and correct. I was just wondering why my line came to an end through this family... When I spent a long time reading and documenting. I am most certain from records and the coat of arms this family is pretty well documented.
Thanks, Ian

10/1/2014 at 2:11 PM

For reference, the Montgomery DNA project is

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Montgomery/default.aspx?sectio...

10/1/2014 at 4:23 PM

Erica,
Thanks for your input, much better than mine!!!

Just checked the DNA project site you mentioned and looked down the line to see if there were any other Montgomerys that I have in my system... Came across Robert Cicero ("son" of Alex II) he wasn't a natural son if he was considered as such by the family. His DNA haplogroup was R1b1a. Then looked further and found Roger de Montgomerie and found we (Alex I, II) aren't a descendant of him either!!! Darn!!!

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