Michèle Sauvagie - Death

Started by Alex Moes on Wednesday, September 17, 2014
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9/17/2014 at 9:37 PM

Private User the date of death looks ok compared to what i have read but the two locations [see Data Conflict] both strike me as odd.

Actually even as i type this my mind puts together some puzzle pieces.

The two locations in Data Conflict are Haarlem and NYC. It strikes me that a novice researcher [particularly an American one] might confuse HaArlem with Harlem, NY and in entering the second location into Geni might end up with NYC. So that solves that little mystery but leaves us with the question, what is a Walloon woman from northern France doing in Haarlem?

I think this answers another question I had in the back of my mind, namely did Catharina Trico's sisters join her in America?
I think the answer, at least in Mary's case, is no. I make this conclusion from the _dubious_ connection that there are records of a Flamen family in Haarlem at about this time which is a variation of Mary's last name "Flame(n/r)gh.
So my theory is that Granny Michele moved north to see out her years with her daughter in Haarlem.

NB: Mary's will mentions an unnamed brother, perhaps he is the Haarlem link?

PS: rumour has it that Michele's first husband was named "Claes Flaman".

9/17/2014 at 9:48 PM

Also occurs to me that "Flaman" "Flamengh" etc could be variants of "Flemming" denoting that Claes was a man from Flanders, the northern portion of modern Belgium

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9/18/2014 at 4:29 AM

Lots to think about here. I think you are on to something: It's even easier t o confuse the two Haarlems than it is to confuse Paris and Pris (Priches).

9/18/2014 at 5:36 AM

It gets better, i may have found one of Michele's sons today [or at least the son of one of her sons], at this point evidence is purely circumstantial.

http://www.geni.com/discussions/139696?msg=969393

9/20/2014 at 6:33 PM

"...what is a Walloon woman from northern France doing in Haarlem?"

Another possible Haarlem connection along side the "Flaman" family is a series of baptisms in Haarlem in the 1670s showing a family named Fontaine Wicart/Fontaine Vicart/Fontaine de Huietquart which recall is the name of TWO of Michele's son-in-laws [de la Fontaine dit Wicart].

So some manager at some point has set Michele's death location as Haarlem and we have circumstantial evidence that at least one of her daughters may have lived in Haarlem.

9/20/2014 at 10:43 PM

Totally off topic but allegedly Micheleis the 4ggmother of ...

Dmitrius Augustine, Prince Galitzine or Golitzin or Golytsyn (usually spelled Gallitzin in German sources), known as the “known as the Apostle of the Alleghanies,” was the founder of a settlement in Pennsylvania.

http://library.uwinnipeg.ca/people/dobson/genealogy/famous/Galitzin...

9/20/2014 at 11:47 PM

Not off topic for building tree, which is part of the exercise ... Good find.

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