Descendants of Robert I, The Bruce, King of Scotland and his issue as it relates to the William Bliss Sr Family

Started by Sandra Jane Larson on Friday, August 1, 2014
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8/1/2014 at 10:08 AM

I've been trying to tie down the descendants of Robert the Bruce Robert I the Bruce, King of Scots as he is supposedly a 14th grandfather of mine as his descendants marry into William Bliss Sr. family. which tie in the my Webster family connections.

As I study this on geni.com it says that Robert The Bruce (1274) and his wife Elizabeth (1284) had a daughter Elizabeth de Bruce (1317 who married Sir Walter Oliphant of Gask and Aberdalgie. They had a son John Oliphant of Kellie (no birthdate is given but it would have to be in the 1300s and, no wife is mentioned either). It says that John had a son, Sir Alexander Oliphant of Kellie who was born in 1504. Someone must have been born in the 1400s so as a son his birthdate is not possible. Also it says that this John Oliphant of Kellie had a brother Sir John Oliphant of Kellie and Aberdalgie born in 1340. Seems suspiciously like this might be the same person On top of this it is stated that John Oliphant of Kellie's son Sir Alexander Oliphant of Kellie and his first wife Katherine Lester of Rothes (1511) had a daughter Elizabeth who married William Bliss Sr yet I find no mention of her on other sites that do talk about Sir Alexander of Oliphant and Katherine Lester. In sum, it seems that perhaps this line of descendants from Robert the Bruce to the Bliss Family hasn't been a focus of research, yet these are by and large master profiles. Is anyone particular interested in the descendants of Robert the Bruce or the ancestors of the Bliss family in the middle ages as they tie in with Scottish royalty? Thanks for some guidance here. Sandra Larson

8/2/2014 at 10:02 AM

Hi Sandra,
You are my 16th cousin and Robert the Bruce is my 21st great grandfather.
Please look at my profile, Darlene Ollie Fine-Wymond for the connection.
Darlene.

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8/2/2014 at 10:17 AM

Hi Sandra , he is my 20th Great Grandfather.

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8/2/2014 at 10:18 AM

Sandra we are connected via the Wing family.

8/2/2014 at 10:18 AM

Hi Sandra,
You are my 9th cousin 1 time removed. Rober the Bruce and his wife, Elizabeth Aylher de Burgh, Queen of Scots are my 18th great grandparents. I also invite you to look at my profile.
Best regards,
John Pat

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8/2/2014 at 7:34 PM

a close relative: Robert I the Bruce, King of Scots is your fourth cousin 21 times removed.

8/3/2014 at 12:26 PM

for Sandra Jane Larson, There is a good site for Peerage of Britain that has a lot of OLIPHANTS on it. Lots of JOHNs and ALEXANDERS. Too hard for me to follow .Perhaps it will help you.

8/3/2014 at 12:41 PM

Sandra Jane Larson

The way we can easiest help you correct any errors in the Geni tree is for you to raise a discussion from the Geni profile that might have an issue.

Give it a try.

8/3/2014 at 12:41 PM

For Sandra, Sorry I didn't add the url http://thepeerage.com

8/3/2014 at 8:29 PM

Erica suggests I add the URL to one of the problem areas I see for the decedents of Robert the Bruce. Here is one of them. This says Sir John is born in the 1500's and his mother Elizabeth Bliss is born in the 1300. There is a missing century here. I'm wondering if anyone can explain this or fill this in.

And thanks to all who shared their connection with Robert The Bruce and me. It is great to see the connections.

John Oliphant of Aberdalgie & Kellie, Kt.

8/3/2014 at 9:06 PM

Sandra now you gave me something to look at, thank you so much for posting the link to a problem profile. I'll work on it and post back.

8/3/2014 at 11:38 PM

Robert I, The Bruce, King of Scotland is my 18th great-grandfather.

8/4/2014 at 1:21 AM

Robert I the Bruce, King of Scots is your 18th great grandfather.

http://www.geni.com/path/Byron-Whitesides+is+related+to+Robert-I-th...

8/4/2014 at 7:17 AM

He is my 22nd Great-Grandfather

8/4/2014 at 7:20 AM

Sandra you are my 17th cousin 4 times removed lol. Not very close relative huh?

8/4/2014 at 10:41 AM

You are right, but on the other hand, you will find that sometimes there are other paths than the one geni.com gives you and it can be either closer or more distant than their computer spits out.

8/5/2014 at 9:22 AM

Sandra, I think that you may have stumbled upon the same problem that I reported in the following discussion (which should be resolved by now):

http://www.geni.com/discussions/137868

8/5/2014 at 9:32 AM

Of course, there is still the issue of determining whether Elizabeth Blisse truly is the daughter of Alexander Oliphant, of Kellie, Kt. and Katherine Leslie, of Rothes...

8/5/2014 at 1:34 PM

Again, thanks everyone for making connection and thank you John Rigali for mentioning the other discussion. I'm sorry I didn't see that until yesterday and we are talking about some of the same problems. The century gap is a big part of the problem. And thanks Erica for working on this. And yes, whether Elizabeth Bliss is the daughter of Sir Alexander and Katherine Leslie is part of the issue. And thanks Patrick Morrison for suggesting a source for more research.

8/5/2014 at 9:10 PM

Robert I the Bruce, King of Scots is my second cousin 22 times removed thru Richard de Clare, 6th Earl of Gloucester

Elizabeth Aylher de Burgh, Queen of Scots is your 14th great grandmother. Thru the Bliss Family

Sir Alexander Oliphant of Kellie is My 11th great grandfather.
Katherine Leslie, of Rothes is my 11th great grandmother.
Elizabeth Bliss is my 10th great grandmother.
Sir John Oliphant of Aberdalgie & Kellie is my 13th great uncle.
Elizabeth de Bruce is my 13th great grandmother.

8/5/2014 at 9:49 PM

Bill - I'm sorry to have to say that I agree with Sandra & John. I find no evidence at all to support Elizabeth, wife of William "Blysse" Blisse, Sr as an Oliphant daughter. The Scots Peerage doesn't know her.

I've disconnected from unlikely parents. Let anyone who wants to re attach present evidence that trumps TSP.

8/5/2014 at 10:05 PM

I've created placeholder profiles for the parents of Elizabeth, wife of William Bliss:

unknown mother of Elizabeth Bliss
unknown father of Elizabeth Bliss

8/6/2014 at 9:13 AM

Erica, thanks for tapping me to be co-manager.

8/6/2014 at 10:01 AM

"no good deed goes unrewarded.".

:)

I think it's unnecessarily risky to be the only profile manager in the historic tree. Some of us (not me) have real lives, and someone who understands the issues involved is in the best position to assist future questions.

And this is a chance for me to say:

William Bliss was a blacksmith in southern England.
Would you really expect to find him married to the daughter of Scottish knight?

8/6/2014 at 11:31 AM

Robert the Bruce is my 19th great grandfather.

8/6/2014 at 5:22 PM

I do Understand. I did my own research last night without success. I added a lot of Pictures so that I would quit clicking on the same one twice, If I offended anyone with my choice of profile pictures I will gladly remove them.

8/7/2014 at 12:13 PM

He is my 20th great grandfather Robert I the Bruce, King of Scots

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8/7/2014 at 12:58 PM

Robert I the Bruce, King of Scots is your first cousin 22 times removed's husband.
You
→ Woodrow Wilson Worthley
your father → Albert Melvin Worthley
his father → Lucy Anna Worthley
his mother → Nancy Underwood- Dye Combs
her mother → Thomas Dye
her father → Ezekiel Dye
his father → John Lawrence Dey
his father → Anne (Ann) Duyts
his mother → William Browne
her father → Mary Browne
his mother → William Master, III
her father → Bridget Jordyn
his mother → John Cornwall
her father → Richard Cornwall, 9th Baron of Burford
his father → Anne Cornwall
his mother → Sir Richard Corbet, MP
her father → Sir Roger Corbet, Kt.
his father → Robert Corbet, MP, Sheriff of Shropshire
his father → Sir Roger Corbet
his father → Elizabeth Corbet
his mother → Eleanor Giffard
her mother → Maud de Clifford, Baroness Giffard
her mother → Margaret (Margred) verch Llewelyn, Princess of Wales
her mother → Llywelyn the Great, Prince of Gwynedd
her father → Elen ferch Llywelyn
his daughter → Isabella of Mar
her daughter → Robert I the Bruce, King of Scots
her husband
You
→ Woodrow Wilson Worthley
your father → Albert Melvin Worthley
his father → William Mitchell Worthley
his father → Alfred Johnson Worthley
his father → Jonathan Worthley, II
his father → Sarah Worthley
his mother → Mehitable Ordway (Holmes)
her mother → John Holmes
her brother → Sally Harris (Holmes)
his daughter → James Harris
her son → Charlotte E. Harris
his wife → James Downer
her father → Lois Downer
his mother → Zebulon Lathrop, Sr.
her father → John Lathrop
his father → Rebekah Bliss
his mother → Thomas Bliss (Jr. in US)
her father → Thomas Bliss
his father → Thomas Bliss (Sr. in UK)
his father → Elizabeth Bliss
aniel Webster, U.S. Senator and Secretary of State is your 12th cousin five times removed.
You
→ Woodrow Wilson Worthley
your father → Albert Melvin Worthley
his father → Lucy Anna Worthley
his mother → Nancy Underwood- Dye Combs
her mother → Thomas Dye
her father → Ezekiel Dye
his father → John Lawrence Dey
his father → Anne (Ann) Duyts
his mother → William Browne
her father → Mary Browne
his mother → Alice Master
her mother → Mary Estcourt
her mother → John de Glanville, MP
her father → John Glanville
his father → Catherine Glanville
his mother → Margaret Preston
her mother → Joan Warde
her mother → Sir Thomas Tunstall, Jr.
her father → Elizabeth Tunstall, of 'Grayrigg'
his daughter → Thomas Bellingham
her son → Jane Bellingham
his daughter → Sir Richard Sherley of Wiston
her son → Beatrice Bray
his daughter → Ann Bate
her daughter → Ann Hester Batchelder
her daughter → Nathaniel Batchelder
her son → Nathaniel Batchelder, Jr.
his son → Benjamin Batchelder
his son → Susanna Webster
his daughter → Capt. Ebenezer Webster
her son → Daniel Webster, U.S. Senator and Secretary of State
his son

Sandra Jane Larson is your 8th cousin twice removed.
You
→ Frances Lenora Thomas
your mother → Joesph Aaron
her father → Daniel Winfield Thomas
his father → Jane Jennie Bailey Thomas
his mother → John Tandy Bailey
her father → Capt John W
his father → John Bailey III
his father → John Bailey, Jr.
his father → Elizabeth Walker
his mother → Sarah Walker
her mother → Stephen Snow
her brother → Micajah Snow
his son → John Snow
his son → Jonathan Snow
his son → Samuel Snow
his son → Samuel Snow Jr.
his son → Mabel Helen Sidman
his daughter → A. Gordon Sidman Jr.
her son → Sandra Jane Larson
his daughter

8/9/2014 at 9:14 PM

He is my 19th grandfather also.

8/10/2014 at 6:25 PM

Oops, I think I misspoke. Christopher Tracy is a bit problematic but it his grandson Stephen's wife (not a Tracy except by marriage) that matters to connect for me to Cardinal Beaufort, John of Gaunt's son. it is Tryphosa Tracy that is the link I need.

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