Direct family line to Charlemagne

There is a new guy from southern France who may be just as important for the European genealogy Francon I

Andre Ronald van Amstel
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Francon I, vicomte de Narbonne
Francon I, vicomte de Narbonne is Andre Ronald van Amstel's 34th great grandfather!

Andre Ronald van Amstel
You

→

Gerrit Willem van Amstel
your father

→

Leonardus Johannes Fredericus van Amstel
his father

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Dirk van Amstel
his father

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Johannes van Amstel
his father

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Jacob van Amstel
his father

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Jacob van Amstel
his father

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Jacob van Amstel
his father

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Henrick Jacobsz van Amstel
his father

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Jacob Barentsz van Amstel
his father

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Barend Tyboutsz van Amstel, van Weert
his father

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Tybout Petersz van Amstel
his father

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Peter Adriaensz van Weert
his father

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Adriaan Jan Goorts van Amstel
his father

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Jan Goyardszn alias Jan Goorts Smolders van Amstel
his father

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Heer Godefridus van Amstel
his father

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Jan Gerard Hendrik van Amstel
his father

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Gerard Hendrik van Amstel
his father

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Sophia van Amstel, jonkvrouwe
his mother

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Gerard Jan Gijsbert van Amstel
her father

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Jan I van Amstel
his father

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Gijsbrecht IV Van Amstel
his father

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Aleidis Albrechtsdr van Cuijk
his mother

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Albert van Cuijk, burggraaf van Utrecht
her father

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Hendrick II van Cuijck, stadsgraaf van Utrecht
his father

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Alverade de Chiny
his mother

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Otto II, comte de Chiny
her father

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Adélaïde de Ramerupt, dame de Montdidier
his mother

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Adelaide de Roucy, comtesse de Montdidier
her mother

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Ebles I, Count of Roucy
her father

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N.N. (possibly Judith) de Mâcon, [dau of Aubri II and Ermentrude
his mother

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Aubry II, comte de Mâcon
her father

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Liétaud I, comte de Mâcon
his father

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Aubri I de Narbonne, comte de Mâcon
his father

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Mayeul I, vicomte de Narbonne
his father

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Lindoin, vicomte de Narbonne
his father

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Francon I, vicomte de Narbonne
his father

Private For a relationship path shortcut Charlemagne, and Francon I, vicomte de Narbonne

1. Click "Share this Path" in the relationship box.

2. Then scroll down to the bottom of the ensuing relationship path chart and click "Tweet This".

3. Now you have the complete relationship chart in Tweet form, which you can either tweet or "copy"
and use as a condensed link in emails.

eg.

Malka is related to Andre Ronald van Amstel: http://geni.com/KCv96
Malka is related to Charlemagne: http://geni.com/78T57

@Malka,

I so appreciate your space saving instincts. ;-)

The only real problem with that route... is:

When Geni finds an alternative relationship... the PATH to the first one... is gone.. vanished and often, for a darned good long time, if it ever returns... (just my experience) with full copied out paths... one can:

a. see the path and follow it... themselves.
b. not have to depend on that specific path, also, STILL being there... when you come back and want it, for something.
c. can show multiple paths, sometimes.

xoxoxoRenée

I do, however, try to shorten the literal "LENGTH" of full path postings, by editing the blank spaces out... so, that all is nicely, close together and not so spread out...

then, it become more of a BLOCK form, than a long, long, scroll... ;-)

<3

Theresa Renée Eléna Tossas-Cox Excellent points---making copies of any complete path found is a great idea, as indeed relationship path do have a tendency to change or even disappear at times. Also, I love your custom editing proposal. Thank You for sharing these super tips!

Thanks for the tip Malka! Here is the test as I am related to Theresa Renée Eléna Delgado-Tossas: http://geni.com/3T86p

But my idea was to get more direct paths to either Charlemagne or Francon I

Private that idea has already been tried on other threads. I usually ignore the threads on Charlemagne, because other people's relationship to him is of no use to me, and everybody and their mother is related to Charlemagne.

These 2 threads are about him being the ancestor of Geni users.
http://www.geni.com/discussions/125857
http://www.geni.com/discussions/131242

These are all the threads that talk about him, feel free to pick one:
http://www.geni.com/discussions/search?q=charlemagne

Here's the link from Geni to my path to Charlemagne, one of my 33rd great grandfathers.

Charlemagne

Since so many of us are related to Charlemagne, it is interesting to see the various lines.

Charlemagne is my 36th great grandfather:

JPMcC
Horace McCaffrey, Jr., father
Horace McCaffrey, Sr., his father
Jennie Minerva Brownell, his mother
Elijah Hanchett Brownell, her father
Frederick Brownelll, his father,
Israel Brownell, his father
Giles Brownell, his father
Lt. George Brownell, his father
Mary Pearce, his mother
Richard Pearce, of Portsmouth, her father
Richard Perce, of Providence, his father
Richard Thomas Pierce, II, his father
Richard Percy, of Pearse Hall, his father
Peter Percy, his father
Sir Ralph Percy, Governor of Bamburgh Castle, his father
Eleanor Neville, Countess of Northumberland, his mother
Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland, her mother
John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, her father
Edward III of England, his father
Isabella of France, Queen consort of England, his mother
Phillippe IV le Bel, roi de France, her father
Isabelle d’Aragon, reine consort de France, his mother
Violante de Hungria, reina consorte de Aragon, her mother
Yolande - Jolanta de Courtenay, Reina de Hongrie, her mother
Yolande de Hainaut, her mother
Marguerite de Lorraine, Countess of Flanders, her mother
Diederik van den Elzas, Graaf van Vlaenderen, Count of Flanders, her father
Gertruida van Vlaanderen, his mother
Gertrude of Saxony-Billung, her mother
Elika von Schweinfurt, Markgrafin von Schweinfurt, her mother
Gerberga von Grabfeldgau von Gleiberg, Grafin von Kinziggau, her mother
Heribert I von Kinziggau, Pfalzgraf von Gleiberg, her father
Cunegonde de Vermandois, his mother
Herbert I, comte de Vermandois, her father
Pepin II, seigneur de Peronne, his father
Bernard, King of Lombardy, his father
“Pepin” Carloman, King of Italy, son of Charlemagne & Hildegard, his father
Charlemagne, his father

Charlemagne is my 35th great grandfather.

Charlemagne is your 33rd great grandfather. that is for me
I am related to Charlemagne: http://geni.com/G4FrG

You


→

Bertil Harry Köhler
your father

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Harry Anders Edward Köhler
his father

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Leonard Edward Köhler
his father

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Clara Sophia Wilhelmina Köhler
his mother

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Carl Anders Köhler
her father

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Andreas Köhler
his father

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Margareta Jakobsdotter Litzing
his mother

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Elisabet Forsberg
her mother

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Margareta Collin
her mother

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Anna Jönsdotter Chourling
her mother

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Sofia Christiana Frost
her mother

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Elisabet Frankelin
her mother

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Constantia Eriksdotter Vasa
her mother

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Erik XIV, King of Sweden
her father

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Katarina, Drottning av Sverige
his mother

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Herzog Magnus I von Sachsen-Lauenburg
her father

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Johann V von Sachsen-Lauenburg-Ratzeburg
his father

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Bernhard II von Sachsen-Lauenburg, Herzog
his father

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Erich IV, Herzog von Sachsen-Lauenburg-Ratzeburg
his father

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Erich II von Sachsen-Lauenburg, Herzog zu Sachsen-Lauenburg-Ratzeburg
his father

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Erich I, Herzöz von Saksen Lauenburg
his father

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Johan I (I) von Sachsen-Lauenburg, Herzog
his father

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Hertug av Sachsen Albert Bernhardson
his father

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Count Bernard of Anhalt, Duke of Saxony
his father

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Albrecht I, Markgraf von Brandenburg
his father

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Otto der Reiche, Graf von Ballenstedt
his father

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Adelheid von Weimar-Orlamünde
his mother

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Adela van Leuven
her mother

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Ada (Oda) de Lorraine
her mother

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Urraca de Lombardía-Ivrea
her mother

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Berengar II, King of Italy
her father

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Gisela del Friuli
his mother

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Berengario I, re d'Italia
her father

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Gisela of Cysoing, daughter of Louis and Judith
his mother

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Emperor Louis I 'The Pious', son of Charlemagne & Hildegard
her father

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Charlemagne
his father

Charlemagne is your 38th great grandfather.

Here is my direct line to Charlemagne.

Charlemagne is Bryn Morgan's 33rd Great Grandfather.

http://www.geni.com/path/Bryn-Morgan+is+related+to+Charlemagne?from...

Just to repeat ( actually copy and paste a very good point made by curator Mimi and the links she provided )

"mi² Anderson, Ⓒ C
7/23/2014 at 4:31 AM
Report
Andre Ronald van Amstel that idea has already been tried on other threads. I usually ignore the threads on Charlemagne, because other people's relationship to him is of no use to me, and everybody and their mother is related to Charlemagne.

These 2 threads are about him being the ancestor of Geni users.
http://www.geni.com/discussions/125857
http://www.geni.com/discussions/131242

These are all the threads that talk about him, feel free to pick one:
http://www.geni.com/discussions/search?q=charlemagne
"

Syaziah van Groenewegen
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Charlemagne

Charlemagne is Syaziah van Groenewegen's 36th great grandfather!

Syaziah van Groenewegen
(You)
→ Dayang Surena Abang Basri
your mother
→ Abang Hj Basri Abang Mohamad Pedon
her father
→ Abang Mohamad Pedon Abang Hj Abd Latip
his father
→ Dayang Ibot Abang Hj Othman Krani
his mother
→ Abg Hj Othman Krani
her father
→ Datuk Pattinggi Abang Abdul Ghapor abang abdul kahar
his father
→ Abg Abd Kahar bilal abdul latif
his father
→ Bilal Abdul Latif
his father
→ Manteri Husain
his father
→ Manteri Putih
his father
→ Dato Godam
his father
→ Daughter of Jan van Groenewegen
his mother
→ Jan van Groenewegen, "Orang Kaya Hulubalang Raja"
her father
→ Jan Apert Groenewegen
his father
→ Anthonis Dircksz Groenewegen
his father
→ Dirck Dircksz Groenewegen
his father
→ Dirck Sijmonsz van Groenewegen
his father
→ Sijmon Dircksz Koevoet
his father
→ Dirck Jansz Koevoet
his father
→ NN Dircksdr van Leyenburg
his mother
→ Dirk van Leyenburg
her father
→ Hubrecht van Leyenburch
his father
→ Clementia van Beusichem
his mother
→ Margaretha Jansdr van Arkel
her mother
→ Bertha van Ochten
her mother
→ Marina van Bentheim
her mother
→ Alveradis van Cuijk, vrouwe van Malsen
her mother
→ Godfried I van Malsen, count of Cuyk & Arnsberg
her father
→ Hendrik I van Malsen, burgrave of Utrecht
his father
→ Irmgard de Namur
his mother
→ Regelindis de Namur
her mother
→ Urraca de Lombardía-Ivrea
her mother
→ Berengar II, King of Italy
her father
→ Gisela del Friuli
his mother
→ Berengario I, re d'Italia
her father
→ Gisela of Cysoing, daughter of Louis and Judith
his mother
→ Emperor Louis I 'The Pious', son of Charlemagne & Hildegard
her father
→ Charlemagne
his father

http://www.geni.com/path/Susan-Angeline-Schumacher-Lostetter+is+rel...

He is my husband's 36th great grandfather

Preface

The day I finished this book I ran across an article purporting to say that we are all related to Charlemagne and essential there is no way that we are not related to Charlemagne. Mr. Lee thesis cannot be true because even he admittedly states that the formula does not take into account factors that would influence a proper answer. Here is a portion of what he has to relate:
http://www.oz.net/~lee/Genealogy/charlemagne.html
On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 12:35 -0700, James Leone wrote:
“ As I was researching my Lee ancestral line back into the middle ages, I was excited to find that I am apparently a direct descendant of Charlemagne, the first Holy Roman Emperor. As I dug deeper, I found at least three separate lines of descent from him to me, and I saw more and more genealogical sites on the Web that claimed similar descent. This started me thinking about how likely it is that I, or anyone for that matter, might be descended from a particular person that far back. As a mathematician (though not by any means a probabilist), I figured I ought to be able to come up with at least a rough estimate of the probability. My conclusion, which was surprising (to me at least), is that there is virtually no chance that anyone of European ancestry is not directly descended from Charlemagne.
Here's my reasoning. Charlemagne was approximately 40 generations back from the present day. Each person has 2 parents, 22 = 4 grandparents, 23 = 8 great-grandparents, and 240, or approximately 1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion), 40th-generation ancestors, which means half a trillion male ancestors. Of course, since the entire male population of Europe at the time of Charlemagne was only about 15 million, these half trillion ancestors cannot all have been different men -- obviously there has been a lot of cross-breeding, and many of our ancestral lines cross and re-cross, eventually ending up at the same person. Let's assume that each of my 40th-generation male ancestors is a randomly-chosen man from eighth-century Europe (this is not really valid, but more on that below). Choosing any one such ancestor, say my father's father's ... father's father, the probability that that particular person is Charlemagne is one in 15 million. Pretty small. To put it another way, the probability that any particular ancestor was not Charlemagne is 1 - 1/15,000,000, or approximately 0.999999933. “
In my opinion this mathematical formulation is nonsensical or a non sequitur for all practicality. A direct line from Charlemagne in the 8th Century means the calculation is based on 1 person being Charlemagne and 14,999,999 are not Charlemagne. It assumes that the 15 or so million males other than Charlemagne did not exist or did not produce, or did not contribute to the holes in the probability theory. So now the number of probably descendants is not just one trillion but 15 million trillion. How can this be?
The European population in 2006 is only 731 million. It means that obviously one person is Charlemagne and whatever the correct number is -are not Charlemagne. The correct formulation for accurately determining the number of Charlemagne’s descendants is not based on solid information and foundation yet. None of the probability take into account war time deaths, couples who do not produce, and disease or the birth and death rates. These three factors alone could nullify all probability calculations. It probably will never be totally accurate. Presently, we can only consider the true number of descendants of those people, who can actually without mistake calculate their direct line to Charlemagne. The old adage is prove it! It also means that determining the correct number of the descendants of the 14,999,999 has also not been determined. What is known is that one trillion descendants is for all practical purposes a non-workable number given that the European population of today is only 731 million according to the United Nation’s estimate. It is not one trillion! That number could only be correct if there were no disease, or wars, great health, no poverty on earth, and a functioning two party couple who guarantees at least one birth per couple. If we subtract 731 million from one trillion we have 999,269,000,000. The number nine hundred and ninety nine billion two hundred and sixty nine million is a large mistaken calculation. It definitely points to the unworkability of the formula. Where is our common sense? This is simply comparing apples and oranges. But here the mathematicians are more than a bushel away. Therefore I reason that such a calculation is totally incorrect in calculating descendants and I chose to look only at people who can prove that they have a direct line to Charlemagne based on lineal research not probability.
While I may criticize Mr. Lee at the same time I wish him well because he has cared enough to venture into the unknown. I would also like to thank my patient wife, Millie, my sister Sue and Cousin Sondra and Sue’s offspring for supporting my ideas for collecting research by going to other people’s homes and drearily walking through graveyards to locate headstones. To my students who have helped along the way. While much of their endeavors do not relate to this book it does relate to the upcoming book entitled “ROYAL EUROPEAN ANCESTRY OF AN AMERICAN FAMILY

Thanks for sharing this. I could not agree more. Do I understand correctly, you wrote a book on your searches? Where can I buy this?

So there are basically two groups of enthousiastic people on geni. Those who can document their decendence from Charlemagne and those who are still working on this documentation. There is still a lot of work to do.

Johnny,

I wish to add myself, to the common interest group, on your last post, with André.
You are writing a book on this subject, as well as a second on EU Royals and America?

I would be interested in both! As well as, in a collaboration, for my own work, (to be released in EU in German and English) on my relationships, to aforementioned and more!
My email and contact links, are all to the right on my profile, here.

Nice to connect! And all my best, in the Cousin´s- round!

xoxoxoxRenée

Cousins, please use the "share link" link on the bottom right of your relationship paths or edit your paths, smaller/shorter, by taking out (erasing) the spaces and pulling the names and "her father", "his mother" lines, to the front of each individual... it saves us all a ton of scrolling, through mile- long paths. Thank you.

http://www.geni.com/path/Theresa-Ren%C3%A9e-El%C3%A9na-Delgado-Toss...

Here is a visual example of the alternative "edited"/"compact" path to avoid mile- long- threads.

Charlemagne is your 31st great grandfather.

You → Linda Sue Cox your mother → Gladys Mae Lockwood Tyler (Kelley) her mother → Vivian Lucille Kelley/Payne/alias- Smith (Cromer) her mother → Floyd Francis Cromer her father → Elizabeth Ann Cromer (Grosvenor) his mother → Hiram Grosvenor her father → Nathan Grosvenor his father → Richard Grosvenor his father → Leicester Grosvenor, Jr., Capt. his father → Leicester Grosvenor, Sr. Capt. his father → Esther Grosvenor (Clarke), (twin) his mother → Hugh Clarke (immigrant) her father → Mary Hobart his mother → Thomas Hobart, of Plumstead her father → Miles Hubbard his father → Rt. Hon. Sir James Hobart his father → Thomas (1410) Hobart, "of Leyham" his father → Allinor "Ellyn" Hobart (Taylor) his mother → Sir John Taylor - Knight to King Edward III her father → Hanger Taylefer (Taylifer) his father → William Taillefer his father → Aymer 'Taillefer' d'Angoulême, comte d'Angoulême his father → Guillaume 'Taillefer' d'Angoulême, comte d'Angoulême his father → Pontia de la Marche his mother → Roger 'le Poitevin' Montgommerie, Comte de la Marche her father → Mabile, dame de Bellême et d'Alençon his mother → Guillaume II "Talvas" de Bellême, seigneur d'Alençon her father → Godehilde d'Alencon (de Belleme) his mother → Herlouin, count of Ponthieu her father → Rothilde of the Franks his mother → Charles II "the Bald", Western Emperor her father → Emperor Louis I 'The Pious', son of Charlemagne & Hildegard his father → Charlemagne his father

Maybe a suggestion to the geni software developers. Can paths be shown as above by default. It saves us a lot of space in discussion threads.

It is the users them self who enter what is used in the discussion threads, so that it out of control for the programmers.

Geni does however offer an even shorter method, see example in http://www.geni.com/discussions/137692?msg=957706

Click Share Path, then twitter and copy the short-URL message in the suggested twitter message.

Johnny Pierre Warden I find a number of logical holes in your argument against mr Lee's logic.
The most important point is that you are alive. Therefore, you have a full tree of ancestors, and at the time of Charlemagne, that tree has half a trillion male "slots" that you *know* were filled. You wouldn't be here otherwise.

The current population of Europe is irrelevant to what happened at the time of Charlemagne, so mixing in the 731 million number makes no sense.

Unfortunately the link to the article doesn't work any more, so I can't look at his actual thesis to match it with your comments, but I do think it warrants a more thorough study than you've given it.

You
→ Stephan Erich Karl Friderich Johann Purtscher von Wydenbruck-Gardemann
your father → Antonia Maria contanze Purtscher von Wydenbruck-Gardemann
his mother → Nora Friederike Maria PRINZ FUGGER BABENHAUSEN VON WYDENBRUCK
her mother → Maria Franziska (Minky) von FUGGER V. BABENHAUSEN
her mother → Karl Ludwig, IV. Fürst Fugger von Babenhausen
her father → Franziska zu Hohenlohe-Bartenstein
his mother → Karl Joseph, V. Fürst zu Hohenlohe-Bartenstein
her father → Ludwig Leopold, II. Fürst zu Hohenlohe-Bartenstein
his father → Sophie Friederike von Hessen-Homburg
his mother → Ludwig Georg von Hessen-Homburg
her father → Frederik II von Hessen-Homborg
his father → Friedrich I von Hessen-Darmstadt, Landgraf zu Hessen-Homburg
his father → Georg I "der Fromme" von Hessen, Landgraf zu Hessen-Darmstadt
his father → Christina von Sachsen, Landgräfin zu Hessen
his mother → Barbara von Polen
her mother → Kazimierz IV Jagiellończyk Andrzej, król Polski
her father → Jogaila / Władysław II Jagiełło
his father → Yuliana Maria Tverskaya
his mother → Анастасия Юрьевна
her mother → Eufemia
her mother → Kazimierz I Konradowic, kujawski książę
her father → Konrad I mazowiecki Piast, książę
his father → Kazimierz II Sprawiedliwy ks. Piast, książę
his father → Salome von Berg-Schelklingen
his mother → Henrich Graf von Berg-Schelklingen
her father → N.N. von Berg-Schelklingen
his mother → Gerberga von Grabfeldgau von Gleiberg, Gräfin von Kinziggau
her mother → Héribert I von Kinziggau, Pfalzgraf von Gleiberg
her father → Cunégonde de Vermandois
his mother → Herbert I, comte de Vermandois
her father → Pépin II, seigneur de Péronne
his father → Bernard, King of Lombardy
his father → "Pépin" Carloman, King of Italy, son of Charlemagne & Hildegard
his father → Charlemagne
his father

Hello! This took me 15 yrs of my life, so wanted to share with another cousin! Nice to meet you! .........is the Master Profile for Charlemagne.
Curator Note from Sharon Lee Doubell (10/6/2014):
Charlemagne.
http://www.geni.com/projects/Charlemagne-Emperor-of-the-West/1550
Please don't create duplicate profiles this high up in the Big Tree.
It's DAYS of work to merge in.
If you can track your line to him below, he is already in your tree!

Charlemagne is your second great grandfather's wife's 6th great grandfather's wife's 27th great grandfather.
You Dawn Marie Persons
→ Robert Joseph Christopher Persons
your father → Robert E. Lee Persons
his father → Charles Harry Persons
his father → Joseph Draken Persons
his father → Sarah Jane Persons
his wife → William Arnold
her father → William Arnold
his father → Anthony Arnold, Jr.
his father → Margaret Arnold
his mother → John Wells
her father → Frances Elizabeth Wells
his mother → Catherine White
her mother → Richard Weston, 1st Earl of Portland
her father → Frances Weston
his wife → Nicholas Waldegrave, Sir
her father → Frances Neville
his mother → Sir Edward Neville
her father → George Neville, 4th and de jure 2nd Baron Bergavenny
his father → Edward Neville, 3rd Baron of Bergavenny
his father → Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland
his mother → John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster
her father → Edward III of England
his father → Edward II of England
his father → Edward I "Longshanks", King of England
his father → Eleanor of Provence, Queen Consort of England
his mother → Raymond Bérenger IV, comte de Provence
her father → Garsende de Sabran, comtesse de Forcalquier
his mother → Garsende, comtesse de Forcalquier
her mother → Guillaume IV, comte de Forcalquier
her father → Bertrand I, comte de Forcalquier
his father → Guillaume III, comte de Forcalquier
his father → Adélaïde de Forcalquier, comtessa de Forcalquier
his mother → Adelaide de Cavenez
her mother → Reghino, conte de Valperga
her father → Ardoino, conte de Valperga
his father → Dado, marchese d'Ivrea, conte di Pombia & Milan
his father → Adalberto d'Ivrea, conte di Pombia
his father → Ermengarde of Tuscany
his mother → Bertha de Aries
her mother → Lothair Ii, king of Lotharingia
her father → Emperor Lothair I
his father → Louis I, The Pious
his father → Charlemagne
his father

Carolus 'Magnus', Rex Francorum & Imperator Romanorum MP
Latin: Karolus 'Magnus', Rex Francorum & Imperator Romanorum, French: Carolus, Magnus, Estonian: Karl Suur, Rex Francorum & Imperator Romanorum, Finnish: Kaarle Suuri, Rex Francorum & Imperator Romanorum
Gender: Male
Birth: April 02, 742
Unknown - Likely in present day Belgium or Germany
Death: January 28, 814 (71)
Aachen, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
Place of Burial: Royal Church of St. Mary (present Aachen Cathedral or Kaiserdom), Aachen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Immediate Family:
Son of Pépin III, King of the Franks and Bertha Broadfoot of Laon, Queen of the Franks
Husband of Desiderata of the Lombards; Hildegard of Vinzgouw; Fastrada and Luitgard
Partner of Himiltrude; Gerswinde of Saxony; Madelgarde of Lommois; Amaltrud of Vienne; Regina; and Ethelind
Father of Amaudra; Pippin the Hunchback; Charles 'the Younger', King of the Franks; Adalhaid; Rotrude; Lothair; Berta; Gisela; Hildegarde; Louis I, The Pious; "Pépin" Carloman, King of Italy; Adeltrude; Ruodhaid, Abbess of Faremoutiers; Theodrada, Abbess of Argenteuil; Hiltrude; Alpaida; Drogo, Bishop of Metz; Hugo, Archchancellor of the Empire; Richbod and Theodoric
Brother of Carloman I, King of the Franks; Gisele, Abbess of Chelles; Pepin; Chrothais; Adelais; NN mother of Chunibert daughter of Pepin and NN mother of Sintpert daughter of Pepin
Added by: Jean Paul Ancey on January 25, 2007
Managed by: Ann Ramsey and 1007 others
Curated by: Sharon Lee Doubell