John Richard 6th Earl of Lennoch Drummond - Beware the "Earls" of Lennoch

What's the difference between Earl of Lennox and Earl of Lennoch?

On a related topic, two major Drummond references indicate "Thanes"; not Seneschals. I have disputed the idea on GENI.com that past Drummonds held two titles (e.g., Sir John D., 7th Seneschal of Lennox, 8th Thane of Lennox) but it falls on deaf ears, or I get 'hand-waving' excuses to justify the two titles. David Malcolm’s (1808) "Genealogical Memoir of the House of Drummond" doesn't use the term Seneschal. And William Drummond's "House of Drummond" says this (as an example of my point): "Lord Strathallan designates him [SIR MALCOLM DRUMMOND] as Fifth Thane or Seneschall of Lennox", (p. 260) which means Thane and Seneschall are the same title.

There. is. no. "Earl of Lennoch". Never was. It's phony.

From the 15th century on, the Earldom of Lennox has belonged exclusively to the House of Stewart/Stuart. The title was re-created several times (due to lack of male heirs in the direct line), raised to a Dukedom, and finally subordinated to the Dukedom of Richmond - Charles II wrapped up the whole package for his illegitimate son Charles "Lennox" (who took his family name from the subordinate title). The present Duke of Richmond and Lennox - yes there is one - is a direct descendant of Good Time Charlie's little boy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Richmond http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Lennox
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Lennox

Lennox is in East Dunbartonshire.

Lennoch, to the extent that it is a place at all, is in Perthshire.

Not the same name.
Not the same place.
Not the same family.

This is clearly a conflate as the Drummond line did barely pass on and was of Lennoch (Perthshire as someone noted) not Lennox.
* See: Burke, John Bernard. A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain. Edited by A. Winston Thorpe, 13th ed., vol. 1 1, The Burke Publishing Company, 1921. Page 523.(free online edition)
* Briefly touches on bits from above should anyone land here in their searches. This line "begins" with regard tonthe Peerage et.al. from the DRUMMONDS of Concraig, specifically Maurice Drummond of Concraig--- but then the literature even with Burke gets convoluded --- "...son of Sir Malcolm Drummond, 10th Thane of Lennox. Sir Maurice m. Ada, dau, and heiress of Henry, son of the 1st Earl of Lennox, and son of the 1st Earl of Strathearn." BUt he wrapsnit up here with "...He was heritable Steward of Strathearn, and s. in right of his wife to the lands of Strathearn, disponed of subsequently to the Drummonds, who were created Earls of Perth. He died 1362, bur. at Muthill."

The line gets back to Concraig and Lennoch as follows with hiis (son?) - "SIR JOHN DRUMMOND, 3rd knight of Concraig, killed the Earl of Strathern in an encounter, 1413, escaped to Ireland, where he died. He m. Matildis de Græme, dau. of Patrick, Lord Graham, and had, with other issue, a second son,

JOHN DRUMMOND, 1st of Lennoch, which he obtained in patrimony from his father. He bought additional lands from his nephew Maurice, and was s. by his son, and further if anyone is interested nearly a decade later :)

Bear in mind that "1st of ___" with no title almost always means "1st *laird* of ___". (That is, 1st (or 2nd or ...) to have control of the property and authority over it.) It's pretty much the same thing as being untitled gentry in England.

Understood. Reading my response is a bit choppy as Id just worked a 22hr shift and decided it was a good time to reply to my first geni discussion...and on my phone at that! I guess the takeaway is I was honestly working on a WikiTree profile for John Drummond of Lennoch- and was adding in some bits notnjust from The Scottish Peerage butva couple of pther sources and it was my way of agreeing with your points :)