1. Q. Benedict Bristol Catherine Davis (View posts) Posted: 10 Sep 2001 11:26PM Classification: Query
I have Benedict Bristol as the son of Gideon and Abigail Badger Bristol, Gideon as the son of Jonathan and Elizabeth Sparks Bristol. Family information shows the preceding generation to be Berhope Bristol, married to Elizabeth Dare. Berhope reportedly settled in the New Haven Connecticut area. (Benedict moved to North Carolina.) However, I have not been able to find Berhope, and some sources on the internet show this line differently. Can anyone help confirm this or provide a lead? Thanks.
2. A. BERHOPE NEVER EXISTED - origins of name is Burstowe Parish Surrey UK
jebristol3 (View posts) Posted: 11 Sep 2001 1:13PM Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Dec 2006 1:59AM
Surnames: bristol, bristow, burstow
Hi
You're the 2nd person to come forward with this "Berhope" person. I answered the 1st one by personal email, but now I'm putting this on the internet so all can benefit from it. It is self-explanatory:
I have great sympathy for your work effort. Just spent 8 hours trying to scan a columnar formatted one page list of Bristols in The RW and didn't succeed. Could have typed it in 10% of the time.
I was fascinated by this berhope production. Thought I had seen everything. I've fought several battles on different websites with people today who seem to need to invent ancestors. Problem is they invent them for others who don't want them.
The short answer is that Henry who came over here in +/-1640 had a son, Henry, his youngest, who with his sister Lydia (md a Smith) were among the first to settle in Cheshire when it was still a part of Wallingford. This Henry had 11 children, one of which was Jonathan. Jonathan md. Elizabeth Hotchkiss, not Sparks. From there the stories are the same.
Ancient origins: The name was never spelled Bristol until 1588+/- a few years, so any such spelling would not have existed at the time of William. The whole line from there to the ancestor who shadowed Henry of New Haven to CT is fictional.
The true line is something like this:
A cousin of William named Hamo the Sheriff (Dapifer) was with him at Hastings. He had a brother, Robert, or nephew who was given all of Gloucester (including Bristow), but left no male heir, so the lands passed to others. Later, Bristow became the property of Lord Digby, and after that, about the time of the Puritan emigration, they came into the possession of Lord Harvey.
No one from our family ever was part of these or earlier families.
Meanwhile, in Surrey, near London, was a little place called Burstowe Parish which Stephen FitzHamon received shortly after the Conquest. Stephen's father was, Geoffrey, FitzHamon, Lord of Battle in Sussex, whose father was Hamon FitzHamon, whose father, or grandfather, was Hamon Dapifer. Stephen had several brothers. One large branch named Hammond still exists in Battle, Sussex. Stephen had at least two sons who had male offspring, and these had the same and so on. So I have little doubt that most Bristow/Bristol people descend from Stephen. Burstow was known as Bristow when Bristow became Bristol, but later changed back to Burstow, so now there are Burstow, Bristow, and Bristol descendants of Stephen FitzHamon of Burstow.
All what I've said is fully documented and searchable. By contrast, I doubt that the story you have could be searched. The killer is the New England records themselves.
Here follows some illustrative material and some links, some of which will entertain you a little I think:
LINK NO LONGER VALID: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?o... yg&id=I1040&style=TEXT
SEE THE BFA GENEALOGY FOR THIS LINE:
I. /Henry Bristol (Bristow) d: 1695 [b. ca 1620-24]
II. /Henry Bristol b: 20 JUN 1683 d: JUN 1750
| | /Francis Brown
| \Lydia Brown d: 1719
| \Mary Edwards
III. /Jonathan Bristol b: 27 JUL 1725 d: 1762
| | /John Smith
| \Desire Smith d: 14 APR 1740
| \Grace Winston
IV. /Gideon Bristol b: 11 JUN 1755 d: 19 OCT 1837
| | /Amos Hotchkiss
| \Elizabeth Hotchkiss
| \Obedience Munson
V. Benedict Bristol b: 24 AUG 1781
\Abigail Badger d: 10 JAN 1835
THIS LINK NO LONGER USEFFUL:
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?o... istol&id=I558
1 ROLLO
2 William LONGSPEE
3 Duke of Normandy RICHARD_I + Gunnor DE_CREPON
4 Count of Corbeil and Mortain MAUGER + Germaine DE_CORBEIL
5 HAMON DENTATUS
6 Hamon DAPIFER Robert FitzHamon, Earl of Gloucester
7 HAMON FITZHAMON
8 Geoffrey FITZHAMON
9 Stephen FitzHamon DE_BURSTOWE (same as #1 below)
10 RandolphRalphRoger DEBURSTOWE b: 1150
11 John_I DE_BURSTOWE b: 1175 d: 1255 + unk DE_SHEVELSTRODE
12 John_II DE_BURSTOWE b: 1213 d: 1300 + Joan BURNEVILLE
13 Roger DE_BURSTOWE b: 1235 + Maud\Matilda CHASTILLAN
14 John III DE_BURSTOWE b: 1257 d: 1316 + Alice DE_ST.AMOND
15 John_IV DE_BURSTOWE
16 Richard DE_BURSTOWE b: 1318 +
17 John_VI BURSTOWE b: 1355 (same as #1 below)
18 Robert_I BURSTOWE b: 1385
19 Robert_II BURSTOWE b: 1410
20 John_VII BURSTOWE
21 Robert BURSTOWE b: 1463
22 John_VIII BURSTOWE b: 1465
23 Thomas BURSTOWE b: 1502
24a John BURSTOWE b: 1540 d: 1582
25a Henry BURSTOWE\BRISTOWE b: 1590
a. Henry BURSTOWE\BRISTOWE b: 1621
b. John BURSTOWE\BRISTOWE b: 1625
26a Richard BURSTOWE\BRISTOWE b: 1596 + unknown UNKNOWN
a. Henry BRISTOWE b: 1624 + unknown UNKNOWN
b. Richard BRISTOWE b: 1627
THESE DATA FROM A WELL RESEARCHED BOOK IN ENGLAND:
NOTE: This 26a looks very much like our family., but until the records of the "dissenters" are published, we haven't found them yet. This is in process in England right now. Also this only traces one line of descent from Stephen, as I noted there are many others.
ANY OF THESE LINKS MAY BY NOW BE DEGRADED AND USELESS
http://www.brisray.co.uk/bristol/bhist4.htm
Bristol becomes a city, 1542 :-
"In the month of July 1542 the town of Bristow was proclaimed a city and called Bristoll, and Paule Bush was made bishop and made resident of St. Augustine's abbey which was then appointed to be called Trinitie college of Bristoll."
The entry above is interesting in that Adams, in the entries dated before 1542, referred to the Bristow spelling, after this date he used Bristoll. This suggests that the name of the city really did have its name changed by law. It is very difficult for me to verify this as the copy of the Chronicles I've copied this from (which is available in Bristol Central Library) is itself a translation, as are the Red Books that are also available there. Authors of the other books I've used may also have had their own ideas on how it should be spelled. As for me, I've tried to keep the original spelling and punctuation of these very old books in the passages I've quoted.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/History/Barons/barons7.html lords digby
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/cgi/bct/gedlkup/n=royal?royal1658... lords hervey
THE BRISTOL FAMILY ASSOCIATION WEBSITE:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bristolfamilyassoci...
If you can get around the recorded New England data, then your Berhope thing may have merit, but I don't see that happening, do you?
Let me know what YOU think, O.K?
thanks again
John Bristol
Bad Links
jebristol3 (View posts)
Posted: 11 Sep 2001 1:20PM
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Dec 2006 1:59AM
Surnames: bristol, bristow, burstow
Re: BERHOPE NEVER EXISTED
Catherine Davis (View posts)
Posted: 12 Sep 2001 10:45PM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Bristol
Thanks for sharing so much information.
Re: Benedict Bristol
robin (View posts)
Posted: 17 Nov 2001 7:22PM
Classification: Query
FYI
I went to school with a Benedict Bistol in Morganton, NC. Today I received a newsletter from a local hospice that listed Benedict as having been a patient there. I went online to see if I could find out what happened to him and came across your message. Don't know if this is of use to your research.
Re: Benedict Bristol
Catherine Davis (View posts)
Posted: 17 Nov 2001 8:06PM
Classification: Query
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I should have included dates with the names I posted. The Benedict Bristol to whom I was referring moved to Texas after the Civil war and died in 1938. Perhaps the one you knew was a relation?
Re: Benedict Bristol
robin (View posts)
Posted: 17 Nov 2001 10:01PM
Classification: Query
Thanks for the note. I thought some of his "relatives" had awfully old sounding names (but you never know). Oddly enough, as I recall 20th-century Benedict also moved to NC from somewhere up north. I remember that he started school in the middle of the year. In addition to being new, he was somewhat hard to forget because to my knowledge he was the only Benedict in the school system. He was a "mischievous" kid, often doing something he shouldn't. Good luck with your research.
BTW I have a branch of Bristols in my family. They are black and live in Morganton. Do you have any information on them? Thanks.
Re: Benedict Bristol
Bobbie Wakefield (View posts)
Posted: 17 Nov 2001 11:38PM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Bristol, McCombs, Sudderth,
I am from the African American 'Bristol' family, in Burke County, Morganton, N.C.
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