Isabeth du Toit (du Pont) - Delete this profile?

Yes, I think the whole family should be deleted. 'Stephanus' is also a very suspect name for a French person born in1602.

Thanks Jansi. I'll wait for the other managers to this, including those managing: Stephanus du Toit and then go ahead. :-)

hello Sharon.
yes, if there are so many discrepancies, then it sounds to be better to delete it.
Go well
Marietjie

Thanks Maria - I'll do it tomorrow

Hi, There are lots of typing errors on these sites - incl. Geni. So maybe the person who typed the info onto the Heritage Site, made a mistake with Isabeth's death date of 1602 - but the information of her son Stephanus du Toit (b 1602) is to be found in other trees on the web as well (don't know where they got their info from) - check out Wiki Tree, etc. Stephanus' son Francoís' son was also called Stephanus (b8). The names ''Stephanus'' and ''Abraham'' (apparently the name of his father) can frequently be found in the du Toit family line. So I suppose the question is, where did the manager of the Heritage site got his info from. Has someone contacted him to check with him?

I had a private message yesterday, agreeing with you Catherine:
"Personally I do'nt think you should delete the profiles as per your discussion.

Reasons:

The birth date of the profile is "omtrent" *c*.
Obviously she could have passed away after the birth of her son in the same year.
The surname du Toit is French.
Nothing wrong with the name Stephanus. Did not check the tree in detail but he could have been named after his grandfather or his uncles."

madam Syfert
'Stephanus' is also a very suspect name for a French person born in1602. at those time french using latin alot maybe its a converted name
http://www.geni.com/path/Martin+is+related+to+Stephanus+du+Toit?fro...

for now i dont found any trace into french canadian side

Biologically it is possible to bear a child at the age of 11 keeping in mind that, her date of birth was estimated at about 1591 as was mentioned.
One can only assume that the cause of death was birth complications.

Male names given for this family were; Jean Baptiste,Louis,Pierre,Bruno,
Francois and Guillaume.
None of the children were named Abraham or Stephanus untill 1693 when one of the grandsons was named Stephanus, then only as mentioned by Catharina, the names started to appear frequently.

Not only do we need to check with the site managers of Heritage as suggested by Catharina but we need to involve the Geni managers as well, especially those who are managing Stamvaders of the du Toits.

My concern was that I was the one to add this profile from MH, without getting a response back from the MH profile manager confirming sources. I think it might be that the whole profile is a typo in itself :-) and I should simply remove it until we have confirmation.

Biologically it may be possible in a couple of cases, Nic, but it is much more likely to be a typo than a small biological miracle, in my opinion :-)

I'll write to the MH manager again, but still think that without source validation back from them (or gleaned from anywhere else we can find) we should consider removing it as a 'red herring'.

Okay, I've written to all the MH managers connected to this profile. Hopefully one of them will answer.
In the meantime if any of us find Source data on her, that would be great too.
Thanks guys for all jumping in to help. Six heads are always better than one when figuring out puzzles :-)

I got an immediate reply from one of the MH profile managers, Johan:

Dear Sharon,
Many thanks for your comments. I agree that the dates and life span of Isabeth du Pont seem to be erroneous. To me it is also of importance since she was my 10th great grandmother (or at least one of them!). Some time ago I was scratching around with the Salembiers what with Marie S having been married to Isabeth's son Stephanus, obviously also a great GF, and at that time I noticed that his mother was, to say the least, a bit young at his birth. Where I got the birth year originally I can not recall, but I have quickly checked Family Search, and there a birth year of 1583 is given (apparently in France). You will realise that going back that far presents all sorts of problems for the genealogist, but I will keep trying! If you get onto something, please let me know.
In the meantime, I will certainly keep in touch.
Best wishes with your family work, and once again thank you for having pointed this out to me
Dr JC Morgenthal

I invited him to join our discussion if he is able to, and assured him that we would let him know if we found anything more.

I received a message from Louisa MOSTERT Yesterday saying
"I have found several references stating that Isapeth/ Isabeth DU PONT was born in 1581, if this were true she would have been 21 years old when her son Stephanus was born in 1602. However it seems possible that she died in child birth, which may well be likely if she were 11 years old (born in 1591) I am not very used to GENi, ad could not find a source for her birth date --- is it available?
Regards,
Louie
I replied "Thanks, Louie -
We've been discussing this for some time on tHe Discussion connected to her profile. I will change the birth date. Can you give the references you refer to, so we can add them too?
Warm regards
Cuzzin Sharon

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No valid sources here.

Best to cut away unsourced parents

Chicken and egg situation here.
MyHeritage sources created verbatim from Geni
No sources actually exist it seems.