Finding abandoned trees

Hi Sylvia,

I have a few ideas but first can you just confirm the issue is, to paraphrase :

'''There are two trees on MyHeritage which you want access to but the managers are not responding to your requests?'''

Because the MyHeritage trees are all private i can't imagine the MyHeritage staff just giving you access to those trees, no matter how nicely you ask.

One slow way around that sad fact would be to use Geni's Smart Match software, presumably you already have profiles on Geni for your mother's cousins. These profiles should have Smart Matches available for you to view which among other data show the parents and children of the profile in question. So checking the Smart Matches for cousin Wolfgang's profile would tell you the names of Wolfgang's parents, children and siblings, once you create Geni profiles for for these people Geni will automatically locate Smart Matches for them in MyHeritage. For example Wolfgang's father's profile's Smart Matches will tell you the names of Wolfgang's paternal grandparents who you can then make Geni profiles for. It will be slow going and you may lose some of the details but at least it will not be a complete loss?

Hopefully someone else will have a better suggestion.

Alex

I have a question Alex. I see a full tree I could build on, but, it is not editable in the about box, and has no relationship links, so is not connected to the tree, or a private tree.
I am gathering you cannot merge with them, so, what do you do? copy it? or what????
These are 1700'ds so, I am really confused about this.
Thanks
Shaz

Sharyn if it's a Geni profile please always post a link - looking at what you're seeing always makes it much easier to try & answer.

Sylvia - Alex has the right answer & I can add a bit.

I use SmartMatches all the time & they greatly enhance the Geni world tree.

Even if I can't contact the MyHeritage tree researcher to obtain their source material, knowing the reputation of the researcher means I know if it's reliable.

Unlike Alex (grin) I find it very easy to "copy across." In other words, I just recreate the tree on Geni, then confirm the SmartMatch. If it's a researcher I know I "create as source." If I don't know their work, I do not.

Jacques Levesque

It also says I do not have permission to request management of this profile.

Thanks
Shaz

PS. It is correct, maybe an extra generation, but I had the resources already before discovering this.

No path found to Jacques Levesque.

When you see that message in profile view, it is a standalone UN connected private tree, exactly like the private MyHeritage trees, only on the Geni server & not the MyHeritage server.

Similarly to the MH private trees, only the tree owner can work with the tree.

Unlike MyHeritage trees you can request a merge - that is the blue tree match. However only the other manager can complete the merge & frankly they may not be active.

I request merges & then move on as there's nothing else to be done.

Or, they are busy copying the tree for use elsewhere ?

Probably not, Sharyn. More, I think, what Sylvia mentioned; they just don't log on frequently.

???
I feel like the butt of a joke but I have no idea what it is.
Bloomin Seppos!

Private User what Erica forgets to mention (tut tut) is that you can report the Geni tree as abandoned.The manager may not be the only active user in the tree in which case management of the tree may be transferred to someone more likely to respond. .. or at least alive :)

Well you might have been able to report it if the manager had not been online today!
At least we know he isn't dead :)

Thank God for that LOL :)

When the tree is UN connected though it is unlikely to transfer to anyone more likely to respond ... So the abandoned tree command that presents in the "actions" menu is most useful for connected trees well embedded in the World Family tree.

When you think about it, this makes sense; an unconnected tree is by it's nature a solitary pursuit, under a single person's control. A connected tree in the world family tree is never reliant on "only one" manager, it is available to all of us to contribute.

I know, I'm preaching to the choir. :):)

I wish it were more visible that we're looking at a standalone tree. If there's any hints I can give about seeing them more easily, let me know.

Alex you weren't the butt of any joke! I thought your description most helpful.

When you see above the profiles the only announcement "No path found to" that means that the profile is in an isolated standalone tree and then it doesn't matter that the manager has abandoned the profiles. The policy of Geni is this moment to keep these profiles standalone and not able to merge!
also you can see in dark red with a light red background a window under the mergerequest with the announcement "these profiles are in different trees" what is the second warning that nobody outside this familygroup is allowed to merge these profiles.
Fortunately sometimes you request a merge with an abandoned isolated tree profile and suddenly the request appears to be completed. That will be a bug in the software I think!

It's not impossible to have more than one user in an isolated tree, so it doesn't hurt to report.
Also one day Geni will introduce some new policy which might run a bot through all abandoned tree reports (maybe) then if you didn't bother reporting it way back now. ...

Agree. It never hurts to report. I always check now to see if the "abandoned" tree option presents.

Sometimes you can trace the abandoning manager and then you can send him or her a link to merge one of his/her isolated treeprofiles with your equal profile. After that the profiles are no longer isolated tree profiles. Via facebook I found this way many abandoning managers, but only a few collaborated and did merge the request.

If Geni can match so fast with My Heritage, it can detect that a tree has more than one ownership within it. It could detect say, that there are also projects and MP profiles attached.

I am placing all my "small" batches (awaiting connection) in a project, to:
1/ easy for me to fimd, and also to show up un search engines, to hopefully find more input.
2/ So they are not "left behind" in merges etc.
It does give them some sort of "worth" t be in a project I feel.

So then, there could be a "chain" icon appear, to show that the tree is linked with another.

This would not be hard.

The other idea would be to "clone" the geni "core" of the big tree.
Have G1 and G2.
G1 is as is now, and no private branches closer than 4 generations. World tree, with total collaboration.
G2 could be the core, and then all private, allowing people to build the part they want, as in ancestors, using G1 as a research tool.

? :)

The old 2 icecream shops on the beach marketing plan. In cloning, and offering a different product, membership would go up, and, some will join both, I would.
The best way to win in business, is to be your own competitor.

Private User
You have to keep in mind exactly who has Isolated/Unconnected Trees on Geni. I think it's reasonable to talk about two categories "The Ignorant" and "The Reclusive".

I'm not implying Ignorant Trees are made by stupid people (it's tempting to tho!), this category is people who log in once or twice then lose interest, people who go to Ancestry instead, people who don't understand the World Tree concept, etc.

The Reclusive Tree is people who like Geni but specifically dont want to connect to the World Tree for privacy issues.

With both Ignoramuses and Recluses what is the likelihood that either tree is going to have MPs in it? How likely are these users to be joining or making Projects, which are collaborative by nature.

As for a "chain" symbol, well if two Isolated Trees are connected that just makes a slightly larger Isolated Tree, not two connected isolated trees. I'm pretty sure that the check for other managers in an Isolated Tree is quite fast, it's just not done until someone requests it by reporting an Abandoned Tree.

I don't really see the point of G1 and G2 as you describe them, G1 is the World Tree with the bottom section cut off and G2 is what we have right now. Unless you mean an infinite number of G2s where each user gets theirr own copy to muck up as they wish? MyHeritage seems to be a whole bunch of private trees that all overlap, i really dont understand that site. Especially looking at Smart Matches there seems a lot MH managers that have multiple copies of their own trees?

Add the "Exclusive" LOL
Yes, I mean that everyone gets the NON writable use of the core of the G1, and their own tree that can in some way connect to it, without being visiable to others.
So they get to see how they are connected, but, the core tree is a clone created by serious "World tree" creators, and CANNOT be messed with by G2.
G1 only editable by Pro users that are committed to the "world tree" concept.
The "chain" could show up on profiles connected to the "G1 Core".
Just an idea :)

Well i resent the notion that only Pro users are capable of being trusted in the world tree.
The idea of the World Tree is to connect everyone with no duplication, so the idea of a mirror tree is immediately anathema conceptually let alone practically.
Do only new users get a clone of the tree or do existing members get an update of the "serious" "approved" tree once a month? What happens when the users G2 tree doesn't match the "official" tree?
Sorry i think duplicating an entire Isolated tree (which i dont normally advocate for) is a better option by far than duplicating the entire site.

I don't, I just know what a mess I made when I first got on here :) LOL It takes time to understand things, and much "coaching" and messaging from (c). Only after 8 months, do I think I am capable of working seriously here.

:)

Yes but that has nothing to do with your subscription level.
Lots of "Pro" users are completely useless, it was a poor choice of branding if you ask me.

:) bad term on my part, I meant "trained", nothing to do with who pays what, but, ability.

A quick glance at this very important matter to me is I feel absloutely horrified with this problem. Some time people have a few on and then it is years ago they even worked on it or logged on or any activities in the revisions.
I sit with death notices and can't do anything else there.
My penny worth is its should have a time limit before making it open for 1st come 1st serve. Remember I am Afrikaans and hope this comes out as I mean it.

Perfectly clear Judith.

But I think we've digressed along way from Sylvias original question about My Heritage trees.

Probably have, but, that what a discussion is about, that one is settled I think, would be the same if I complain because someone on Ancestry has a "private tree". Geni is our focus in the big scheme of things. I personally do not copy other peoples trees, on Ancestry, they copy mistakes over and I see them continue to 10 trees. I cannot work there because of that, but their record matching, is not too bad, but, is dictated to by users I think, as, then the mistakes show there as well, and, confusing. My Heritage matches seem to be "spot on" as far as I can see lately.

I'm not sure I agree.

Smart matches can only be as useful as the My Heritage trees are. A good match to a bad tree is almost worse than no match.
Like you say of Ancestry lots of trees on MH are just copies of rubbish Web sites. I really don't understand the appeal.