Phyllis Freemantle (Pitt) - Alternative Parents after merge

Started by Sharon Doubell on Tuesday, April 1, 2014
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4/1/2014 at 2:00 AM

This profile had two sets of parents. Possibly due to error, but perhaps a merge-mash between two profiles?
Only one set had sources to back them: Robert Pitt Snr (1777 - ?) and Lucy Rapley (1779 - ?), so I went with them.
The alternatives were John William Pitt (c1803) and Sarah Roberts (1798 - 1886)

4/1/2014 at 2:06 AM

The MH matches have profiles with both sets of parents. This, the two Freemantle husbands;and the duplicated children suggests to me that we need more source data before we have the line correct.
Does anyone have my Sources to help us get it right?

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4/1/2014 at 4:28 AM

Hi,
I registered on Ancestry.com BUT it hasn't YET uploaded the old SA records from Ancestry24.com - perhaps we could ask June Barnes to look up Phyllis (Pitt) Freemantle for us?
I can however tell you that I have found marriage records for Robert Pitt+ Lucy Rapley on 06.06.1808, and for John Pitt & Sarah Roberts 22.09.1823, so I am more inclined to think Phyllis is the daughter of John and Sarah??

4/1/2014 at 4:30 AM

Ahh, that helps Jennifer. As I suspected, there were two Phyllis Pitts who both married Freemantle men. What are the chances? I'm a bit skeptical that there isn't still a better explanation for this coincidence - but this certainly fixes the tree, for now.
Let me try and disentangle, and then Master them so they stay separate in the future.
You're a star. Thank you.

4/1/2014 at 4:32 AM

Hi Helen - cross posted with you. Give me 30 minutes to untangle, then I'd appreciate you both checking that you're happy with the result.

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4/1/2014 at 4:37 AM

http://1820settlers.com/genealogy/familygroup.php?familyID=F12253&a.... 1820 settlers site gives her as child of John & Sarah

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4/1/2014 at 4:47 AM

Grahamstown marriages:
Entry #289
Husband: William FREEMANTLE, Full, Bachelor, Blacksmith, residing Grahamstown
Wife: Phillis PITT, 20, Spinster
Date: 3/5/1850
Witnesses: Thomas EARLE, Jane PITT

4/1/2014 at 4:48 AM

Hi guys - Please don't work on the two of them at the same time as me - the result is that we're losing one of them altogether. Hang ten until I'm finished.

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4/1/2014 at 4:57 AM

Innocent I am... only posting in discussion - not touching their profiles

4/1/2014 at 5:22 AM

lol, Jennifer and I were fixing it together :-).
Have you got the Source (eg an internet link) for the marriage reference, that I can add?

4/1/2014 at 5:38 AM

Okay - thanks to both of your prompt help - we now have the two of them separated and Mastered. (I've locked them temporarily, so we don't accidentally re-merge them while we're checking on them. But I'll unlock the minute we think the two lines are stable.)
Please check to see you're both happy - & take a look at their kids especially, as I haven't double checked them yet.)

(No Name)
This is Phyllis Pitt, born 1832,
Married JAMES Freemantle in 1853
Parents: ROBERT Pitt & Lucy Rapley

Phillis Freemantle
This is Phyllis Pitt born 1830 - died 1898;
Married WILLIAM Freemantle in 1850
Parents: JOHN Pitt & Sarah Roberts.

Thankyou - What a great team!

4/1/2014 at 6:39 AM

Okay, so turns out this was the tip of the iceberg and the rest of the kids are like an Escher painting from which there is no exit.
I'm going to see if we can get people from the 1820 Project (http://www.geni.com/projects/1820-British-Settlers-in-South-Africa/162) to come and help solve the Puzzle of the Pitts.

Please continue this Discussion here: http://www.geni.com/discussions/134293

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