Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator, Queen of Egypt - Art Project of GG Daughters of Cleopatra

Hi,
Cleopatra is my 60th great grandmother if you are interested.

Sheila Patterson

Hi Sheila you're my 15th cousin once removed. I am interested. Best wishes Rosa-Lee

Hi Sheila is my 60th GM as well :-)

Sorry meant to say she is Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator is my 60th great grandmother.
You
→ Seymour Radley Powell
your father → show 59 relatives → Cleopatra Selene II
his mother → Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator
her mother share this path

Hi, Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator , Queen of Egypt is my 60th great grandmother. There is written ( Suicide) maybe she was desperate then she had decided to commit , sorry about her.

Oi, Cleopatra VII, (A Filopator), Rainha do Egito, é minha 53ª Bisavó.

Hey! Cleopatra is my 63rd grandmother on my mother's side and she is actually also my 62nd grandmother on my father's side as well. I don't know if that's cool or weird!

Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator, Queen of Egypt is my 63rd great grandmother.

Are all of you sure that every link from you to Cleopatra VII Philopator, Pharaoh of Egypt is correct and trustworthy?

I have checked hundreds of these relationship claims in my own genealogical tree on Geni, and haven't found a single one that can be proved by good sources. Which make all of my links back to people that lived so far back in time untrustworthy. Is your claim also only backed by untrustworthy links, or do you have good sources for every link?

Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator, Queen of Egypt is my 60th great grandmother.

Scholars agree with Remi. There are no reliable links for Europeans to anyone who lived before about 500-600.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descents_from_antiquity

These descents from Cleopatra are fun for wishful thinking, but they're not real.

Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator, Queen of Egypt is my 60th great grandmother.

@ I'm interested in your project Sheila.

Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator is my 60th gg mother.

http://www.geni.com/path/Loretta+Alexandra+is+related+to+Cleopatra+...

@ Update! Correction!
Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator is my 59th gg mother.

http://www.geni.com/path/Loretta+Alexandra+is+related+to+Cleopatra+...

i am a great granddaugther of her on my fathers side thru both my grandparents

Hi. Greetings from Norway. Cleopatra is my 59.great grandmother as well =D

Hi Sheila. I am with you in the art project you want to start!
Cleopatra is my 60th Great Grandmother.
Best regards
Lise

62nd great grandmother - Cleopatra VII Philopator, Pharaoh of Egypt

Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator, Queen of Egypt is my 61st great grandmother.

i found it interesting where all the cleo's ended up;
modern day Afghanistan
Spitamenes, Satrap of Bactria is your 73rd great grandfather.
You - Susan Lynne Schwenger
→ Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
your mother → JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
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his mother → Ptolemy II -egypt, King of Mauretania
her father → Cleopatra Selene II, Queen of Mauretania
his mother → Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator, Queen of Egypt
her mother → Cleopatra V Tryphaena
her mother → Ptolemy IX Soter II Lathyros, King of Egypt
her father → Cleopatra III Euergetes II Selene
his mother → Cleopatra II, Queen of Egypt
her mother → Cleopatra I Syra, Queen of Egypt
her mother → Laodice III of Pontus, Queen of the Seleucid Empire
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her mother → Laodice I, Queen of the Seleucid Empire
her mother → Archaeus I, Prince of Syria
her father → Apama I, Queen of the Seleucid Empire
his mother → Spitamenes, Satrap of Bactria
her father

Spitamenes, satrap of Bactria
Satrap of Bactria

Susan Lynne Schwenger Spitamenes, Satrap of Bactria MP is my 66th GGGrandpa :-)

Rosa-Lee, you might scoff at scholars but it was scholars who figured out how a line back to Cleopatra could work. The lines to Cleopatra aren't an old tradition. No one before the 20th century had any idea there could be a line to Cleopatra. The lines to Cleopatra were developed by scholars working bit by bit, guessing and speculating, "This person could be the mother here", "This person might have been the daughter here."

So, you have a line developed by scholars that they know is highly speculative. I think you might have to take their opinion just a little seriously when they're commenting on their own work.

Private User ofcourse the Europeans, like everyone living on the Earth today, have african blood and genes. I have never questioned what the anthropologists say. But as you say, we have to find the connections. And in genealogy that means proving every link between persons, and if you are not able to prove a link with reliable sources, then the link is untrustworthy and don't belong as a link in our common and shared family tree, in fact it doesn't even belong in your private family tree, because of the untrustworthyness of the information.

Remember, genealogy is all about facts and the use and interpretation of sources, while assessing their trustworthyness. Fairytales, hearsay and other fanciful stories don't belong in our tree as links between people, but only in their biographies as comments.

Most people in Norway are descendants of the first king in Norway, Harald Fairhair, but there isn't a single person living today that are capable of proving that relationship with trustworthy sources. And the same goes for Cleopatra VII Philopator, Pharaoh of Egypt so, please, lets stick to the facts and leave the stories to the ones writing the fairytales.

And to all of you stating your realtionship back to her. If you haven't checked every link from you to her, how are you able to say that she is your ?? great grandmother? Are you trusting other peoples work? If I went public stating my relationship back to a specific person, I would make damn sure that I was correct in my statement, unless I would feel I lied to the whole world and made statements that I couldn't back if questioned. At the same time, I know that other people would copy my statement and rely on it being truthful, since it is published on Geni, and I couldn't live with the embarrasement of providing untrustworthy family history. Hopefully all of you feel the same.

One of the hardest things about claiming descent from Cleopatra is that it's not certain she has any descendants.

Cleopatra's daughter, also named Cleopatra, married Juba II. Juba had a son Ptolemy and daughter whose name is unknown (Cleopatra is one suggestion). Most scholars accept the idea that Cleopatra was the mother of Juba's children, but a minority think one or both were children of another wife.

Either Ptolemy (probably) or his unnamed sister (maybe) was the parent of a Drusilla who married (1) Marcus (Antonius?) Felix, the procurator of Judea, and (2) Sohaemus of Emesa. Her first husband had a son, but the son's mother was another wife named Drusilla (not this Drusilla). By her second husband this Drusilla had a son Alexio II. That husband also had other children, but scholars are split on the identity of their mother(s).

The royal family of Emesa is very uncertain. There are lots of disagreements about how to reconstruct their genealogy. Almost every relationship is speculative, but somehow, in one way or another, the line from Drusilla might get down to Zenobia, a 4th century queen. The Historia Augusta, a 3rd century collection of forged and doubtful genealogies, says Zenobia was a descendant of Cleopatra. If so, she was the last person to claim descent from Cleopatra until modern times.

We get to fairly certain ground again when members of the Emesan royal family marry into documented Roman families, then off into speculation again when the Romans fade into the Gallo-Romans, and the Gallo-Romans have speculative connections to medieval Europe.

This subject deserves a lot more discussion. To get a better idea of the problems in the early generations see, for example, Chris Bennett's article on Cleopatra Selene: http://www.tyndalehouse.com/Egypt/ptolemies/selene_ii_fr.htm

If anyone is interested in serious scholarship, we could set up a working group to clean up the line on Geni.

Spitamenes, Satrap of Bactria is my 66th great grandfather.

Cleopatra VII is my 65th great grandmother. and you sheila are my 25th cousin once removed.

Justin I bounce all over GENi, If I can help I will.
Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator, Queen of Egypt is my 57th great grandmother.

Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator, Queen of Egypt is your 61st great grandmother.
You
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his father → Cleopatra
his mother →
Hi Sheila! You are my 17th cousin once removed. Best wishes on your project!