Elizabeth Webb Upham (Slade) - Web or Slade

Started by Private User on Thursday, February 6, 2014
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Private User
2/6/2014 at 6:23 AM

We have a conflict on Elizabeth, husband of Deacon John Upham as to her maiden name and parents. Is she:

* Elizabeth Slade, daughter of Roger Slade, II & Margery Slade
* Elizabeth Web, daughter of Richard Webb & Elizabeth Marvin

I'm not sure where the confusion comes from, but I see her listed on trees as Elizabeth Web Slade or Elizbeth Slade Web. Was one name from a previous marriage? If anyone has a research on this, please discuss. If we can get this figured out, I can MP the profile and add a curator note to reduce future confusion.

Private User
2/6/2014 at 6:25 AM

Note, that should be Webb, not Web - my mistake.

2/6/2014 at 7:01 AM

Her name was Slade when marrying Upham.

"John Upham married 1st 1 Nov 1626 at Bicton, Devon, Elizabeth Slade"

Great Migration Project, quoted by Linda Mac on FindAGrave. I have found her research quite reliable & The Great Migration Project is the "authority" for the New England 1st arrivers (they are conservative).

hope this helps.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=79663844

Private User
2/6/2014 at 8:01 AM

So, I wonder where Webb came from... Elizabeth was 24 when she married John Upham, so I'm not sure if that clarifies if it was her birth name.

2/6/2014 at 8:09 AM

I think it's an LDS file confusion in origin.

Private User
2/6/2014 at 8:32 AM

I found this...
http://books.google.com/books?id=tyswAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA6&dq=joh...

It links the name Webb via the relationship to Joseph Webb in a will.

2/6/2014 at 8:43 AM

Good find & a reasonable deduction to make in 1845. But not enough to counter the contemporary reports of The Great Migration Project, which would have analyzed the same will Gookin did - and reached other conclusions.

2/6/2014 at 8:46 AM

"To prove John Upham's marriage to Elizabeth Slade, the following from Mr. Upham to Miss Leavitt, Feb., 1905:
"The register of the Church at Bicton shows: Married November 1, 1626, John Upham and Elizabeth Slade. His identity is established by his father's will of 1635, at Exeter. John Upham was at Exeter a few months before his emigration, as the Parish registers of Holy Trinity of Exeter show the baptism 1634, Sept. 21, of Phineas, the sonne of John and Elizabeth Upham. Burial 1634, Oct. 2, Phineas Upham. Bicton is about eleven miles from Exeter."

Mr. Upham made a pilgrimage to the Parish of Bicton, Hundreds of East Budleigh, Devonshire, England, a few years ago, to ascertain the above facts.

From Winchester Notes (Google eBook)
Fanny Winchester Hotchkiss
Tuttle, Morehouse & Taylor Company, 1912 - Winchester family - 367 pages

2/6/2014 at 8:50 AM

Here's an expanded version of the Elizabeth Webb (based on will analysis)

https://archive.org/stream/uphamgenealogyde00upha#page/34/mode/2up

I think a parish marriage entry discovered after the 1st genealogist published his work is far more likely.

Private User
2/6/2014 at 9:04 AM

Based on our tree, John Upham's sister, Sarah Ormsby (Upham)'s first marriage was to Unknown Profile. If that is true, that would explain the uncle connection for Joseph Webb.

Private User
2/6/2014 at 9:46 AM

Ok, I've updated the profile, MP'd it, locked the name, added notes, added source.

2/6/2014 at 10:01 AM

I think the death date is off, the FindAGrave has "Elizabeth died soon after 2 Feb 1670/1."

Private User
2/6/2014 at 2:49 PM

Probably need some verification of Richard Webb as well. He looks to be confused often with Richard Webb, of Norwalk in online trees. So we should try to find some reliable sourcing on the wives and dates and make curator notes so they don't get confused.

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