Marriage Records Much Later than Records for Births of Children

Started by Seth Morgulas (Geni Curator) on Wednesday, February 5, 2014
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In the various families and towns I have looked at for my family in Tarnopol and Stanislawow for just about every set of parents for whom I have found marriage records and records for the births of their children the marriage record is dated prior to the birth dates of the children, as one would generally expect. However, in a handful of towns I have found quite a few situations where records for numerous children of one set of parents pre-date the record for the marriage of the parents. This, so far has been limited to the towns of Tłuste/Touste and Jezierzany and possibly Zalozce.

I am curious if the reason for this is that these were very small towns and the marriage registration may have occured significantly after the actual marriage- religious or otherwise- occured because either the town did not begin registering until later or the family moved to a bigger town and registered a previous marriage.

It seems unlikely that a set of parents in those types of communities in that era would have had multiple children out of wedlock??

This happens even today in Orthodox Jewish circles. A friend of mine was getting married and went to the courthouse (i think before the wedding ceremony) to fill out the proper paperwork. The lady at the desk looked at him quizzically and asked him "Weren't you just in here?" He didn't know what she was talking about. Later that week, he found out that his married brother from Israel had been visiting, and decided after many years and children, to go to the civil court and have the marriage recognized. (I think he needed the paperwork for something in Israel.)

In the Orthodox community, one hears of such stories even today. Jewish law trumps all else, and people sometimes forget that they aren't married in the eyes of the State. I've heard it said in Baltimore, for example, the Orthodox rabbis have been requiring people to show them the civil papers first before the ceremony can proceed. In order to prevent unfortunate situations in the future.

Nick, thanks for the response. That seems reasonable to me. It just struck me as odd because I had only found instances of it in three very small towns and it caused me to question whether I had misidentified sets of parents with sets of children.

Also only under certain circumstances were Jews allowed to marry legally in Galicia

Steve Jaron

Do you have an idea of the dates on which Jewish legal marriages in Galicia were permitted?

I may have misspoke (though I think I am right somehow, i just can't find the info to back it up) and I apologize. Couple were married ritually but not by the state so when children of the ritual marriages were considered illegitimate. Which is why you will see children be the witness for their parents marriage. I am sure the Gesher Galicia message boards and JRI-Poland boards have gone into greater detail.

The cases I found were in the 1880s and 1890s so I suspect it is more like a scenario as Private User suggests or a question of the size of the town and its administrative capability or lack thereof.

I have also heard it mentioned (maybe in another forum here at geni?) that people would get their paperwork together before emigration. They needed to prove they were married so would finally get their marriage recognized. I've also seen the opposite in my family--where a wife who came to her husband in the US is listed as going to her "brother." Meaning that they didn't get the marriage recognized before he had left.

Note also that,the children of couples that did not go through civil marriage in Galicia would typically carry the last name of their mother rather than their father. I have seen numerous cases of "late" marriages when the family members started moving out of Galicia to Vienna.

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