Wrong Hannah - Were there more than one Foster family in Andover MA?

Started by Lisa Cunningham on Thursday, October 24, 2013
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Private User
10/24/2013 at 7:51 AM

Ya, I recall looking at that when I was working on the article. Donna says she's looking into it and posted the document where they question it, but doesn't say what she found.

Here is what looks to be the marriage, but I can't access it. Maybe someone with Ancestry can look: http://www.ancestry.com/s/t28347/rd.ashx?h=64654:3824&db=neweng...

Someone reported finding the marriage in old Kittery records. I did find this, but it just says Hannah: http://archive.org/stream/oldkitteryherfam00staciala/oldkitteryherf...

As well as all the children, but again, no last name: https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=75&query=%...~

In any case, I don't like that she's named "Wrong Hannah", though it does draw attention to it. If anything we have different Hannah's - one being correct.

Private User
10/24/2013 at 7:52 AM

Let me tag Private User since she did some research into this as well.

Private User
10/24/2013 at 8:10 AM

I would take "Wikipedia" for Factual information with caution!

Private User
10/24/2013 at 8:17 AM

I left a message on FindAGrave for the person that uploaded the image and the person that created the memorial.

Private User
10/24/2013 at 10:03 PM

WOW ! : ) I have a bunch of comments in my email ! First off, I hope I did not change the name and mess up anyone else's info or tree. I only changed the names because I was trying to delete them and start over at that point, and it would not let me delete the names, and I changed them to see if it would let me then, and it still would not. I did find more then 1 story online about the 2 different "Hannahs". The well-documented Hannah Foster that married Hugh Stone ( have seen a couple different spellings of 'Hugh") lived from 1633-1689, and was beaten to death in a drunken rage by Mr. Stone. hence the documentation in more then one spot. I will try and find everything I read and post it so all may read it. Forgive me, I am very new to this, will find out where I can post it, and the other Hannah, was alive at least into 1703, and I believe that comes from a book about Kittery, Maine and its early beginnings and an actual interview with Mr. Remick, or notes from an interview. Anyway, I will try and compile everything that I did see about the subject, it seems quite a few people have looked into it, when I get more time. I believe to be accurate,from the things I read, that the Hannah that was married to Mr. Stone died in 1689, was the mother ( obviously !) of the Stone children, and the Foster family on my tree, from her parents and beyond, are NOT from Mr. Remicks Hannah, and that is why I was trying to delete them and start that portion over. I did not want to be linking with people that were not actually relatives. This has also happened with my other set of 9th grandparents, John Heard and Capt John Hurd. In that case, there are also many articles about the mixup on different sites, and it seems with clicking on the parts that we like on profiles, lol, some "hybrid" people are being created that do not exist ! Not in one body, anyway. But again, I apologize if my attempted deletion messed anything up for anyone else, I did not think anyone even looked at my tree, and if doing that changed things somewhere else, forgive my ignorance of how this works !

Private User
10/24/2013 at 10:17 PM

Mr. Gentes-"In any case, I don't like that she's named "Wrong Hannah", though it does draw attention to it. If anything we have different Hannah's - one being correct."- Again, sorry, I was only trying to get the names to delete. It gave me a statement that went something like 'In certain instances, a name can't be deleted because of blah blah"-something to do with attachment to another or the like, so I figured if I changed the name, how could it be attached to anyone ? but, not the case, so I left it like that for myself, and so it would quit attaching me to other people through that path. Which leads me to ask "how did everyone see that ?" And you also are correct, the name is correct, I was actually thinking "wrong Hannah" in reference to the parents and that part of the tree shooting off of it. Sorry my "scribbling" caught that much attention !

Private User
10/25/2013 at 7:36 AM

Please see this thread also that deals with this unlikely marraige.
http://www.geni.com/threads/6000000023136010999
It appears that she has been disconnected now but the about me is misleading if we are to believe that she did not marry Remick.

Private User
10/25/2013 at 7:57 AM

No problem Todd :)
Geni is a collaborative world tree, so you build you're tree to a certain point then connect into the existing tree on Geni when duplicates arise (merging the trees). The idea of Geni is that we have a single tree, of which you have a branch. All the descendants thus "share" this public profile, can discuss changes, collaborate, upload documents, etc. In this way, a correction, like the one we're about to make, will help every descendent in the connected tree and not just a single isolated tree among hundreds.

So bringing attention to it is certainly what we want to happen. The discussions tab is probably the best way (as it's public and keeps the history so we know why we did something), but sending a private message to the managers can also do the job. I, as a Geni curator, have the ability to make a profile a Master Profile in the world tree, lock fields if needed, and add notes to the profile - so future merges don't result in the same confusion.

I did hear back from FindAGrave's Donna and it is also her belief that these are two different Hannah's. So I'm going to make the changes. If we find out otherwise, I can always remerge them.

Todd, I'd be happy to help in your John Heard and Capt John Hurd case as well. We can make the corrections and MP the profiles. I suggest starting a discussion on the profile (or one of them) and then sending me a private message so I can follow it and help out.

Tagging some additional profiles, so this also shows up in their discussion tabs for documentation of changes: Hugh Stone, Sr., Christian Remick, Hannah Remick

Looks like Private User already took care of splitting them. I've updated some of the dates.

Private User
10/25/2013 at 8:00 AM

Myrna, I got an "Unable to view the requested message." when clicking your link. I think that's a private message, not a public discussion, based on the thread/ prefix.

Private User
10/25/2013 at 8:48 AM

I've taken the curatorship of Christian Remick and Hannah Remick as they're my 10th GGP. I'll leave Hugh Stone and Hannah Foster to Myrna. I've tried to update the dates and locations a bit and add information to the about me to help distinguish the two.

Private User
10/25/2013 at 8:57 AM

As an additional note to those that are descendent from Hannah Foster. Her father's birth date looks suspect. He's reportedly 38 years older than Ann Alcock and would been about 60 when they had their first children. I've seen sites where they put his birth closer to Ann's birthdate, but this would make Andrew's father close to 70. So again, not sure if anythings wrong - it just looks odd and worth further investigation.

Private User
10/25/2013 at 11:36 AM

I have the marriage record of Christian Remick linked above and it lists Hannah [? Thompson]. http://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000023156432258

Remick Christian (1631-1718+) & Hannah [?Thompson] (-1703+); b 1656; Kittery, ME

So I'm not sure if she is a widow of Thompson or if that is her birth surname.

One source I see says this: "Hannah may have been a widow (Thompson) at the time of her marriage to Christian, and may have been born a Foster."

So maybe she's not Hannah Foster, wife of Hugh Foster and daughter of Andrew Foster & Ann Alcock, but she still may be a Hannah Foster.

A note on our profile states: Christian Remick's spouse Hannah _______________ possibly Freeman, Thompson, or Foster.

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