Maria Edmundsdotter Anundsdotter (Ingamoder Emundsdtr.) - Parents of @Maria Edmundsdotter Anundsdotter

Started by Kenneth Osen on Wednesday, September 11, 2013
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9/11/2013 at 9:19 AM

Anyone who can fix the issue with the parents?

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9/11/2013 at 9:49 AM

@Ingamoder Emundsdotter, Queen of Sweden is my 2nd cousin 28 times removed Judy Rice

9/11/2013 at 6:23 PM

Kenneth Osen den eneste måten du vil ha en mulighet for å finne svaret på spørsmålet ditt er at du går grundig gjennom alle kildene som finnes angående Maria. >DU må finne ut hvilke kilder som er primære (om de finnes) og hvilke som er sekundære. Deretter må du foreta en kildekritikk innen hver kategori (primære og sekundære kilder) for å finne ut hvem du mest stoler på. Når du har kommet fram til det, så vil du ha en anelse om hva som er svaret på spørsmålet ditt, selv om du trolig ikke vil være 100% sikker, og dersom du ikke er veldig sikker på hvem som er hennes foreldre etter dette, så bør du heller ikke foreta et valg på dem, men la dem stå som to mulige foreldrepar. Du kan etter at du har gjort denne jobben få Maria gjort til en MP med beskjed om hvilke som er henne foreldre, evt. at tvilen er så stor at det ikke kan bestemmes hvem som er hennes foreldre før nye kilder blir funnet (om mulig).

Det samme er allerede gjort med f.eks. Grevinde Johanne Andersdatter Stenbrikke der det ikke er mulig å bestemme hvem foreldrene er før evt. nye kilder blir funnet.

Så da er det bare å sette i gang å jobbe.

9/13/2013 at 12:53 AM

Disse to indikerer, sammen med de danske kilder om Svend Estridsen II at det må være Emund og Astrid Njalsdatter der er forældrene.
Den eneste datter Amund og Gunhild nogensinde nævnes at skulle have haft bliver gift med Svend Estridsen og dør tidligt. Hvis Amund har børn med andre er det ihvertfald så ikke Gundhild der er moderen.

En af kilderne til disse to artikler er også det Svenske National museum, som jo består af historikere. Dem tror jeg på.
Derfor må forældre være Emond og Astrid Njalsdatter

Emund the Old
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Emund den gamle
Died 1060
Other names Emund the Old
Title King of Sweden
Predecessor Anund Jakob
Successor Stenkil
Spouse(s) Astrid Njalsdotter
Parents Olof Skötkonung, Estrid of the Obotrites
Emund the Old or Edmund (Swedish: Emund den gamle, Old Swedish: Æmunðær gamlæ, Æmunðær gammal, Æmunðær slemæ) was king of Sweden 1050–1060.[1]
Emund was an illegitimate son of Olof Skötkonung. Emund's wife was Astrid Njalsdotter of Skjalgaätten (d. 1060). Astrid was the daughter of Norwegian nobleman Nial Finnsson (d. 1011) and Gunhild Halvdansdotter of the Skjalga family in Hålogaland, Norway. They became the parents of three known children: sons Anund and Ingvar, who both died before their father, and a daughter, whose name is not known but who was the Queen Consort of King Stenkil of Sweden and mother of the three more Swedish kings Inge I, Alstan and Eric.[2]
Emund succeeded his brother Anund Jakob c. 1050. Emund was reportedly called Slemme, meaning the bad, because he actively opposed the priests from the Archbishopric of Bremen in favour of the English missionary Osmundus[citation needed]. The Westrogothic law states that Emund was a disagreeable man when wanting to pursue a goal, and that he marked the border between Sweden and Denmark.
The cognomen "Gamle" is known from Adam of Bremen, although he mistakes it as a proper name and mentions in one episode a "King Gamle" when it is in fact Emund. The name means "old" and could signify that he was old when he became king or that he was the older brother to his predecessor Anund Jakob.
Emund was the last king of the House of Munsö. Adam of Bremen relates in his work Gesta Hammaburgensis Ecclesiae Pontificum (Deeds of Bishops of the Hamburg Church) that his son Anund Emundsson died when leading a Swedish attack against Terra Feminarum and the attack ended in Swedish defeat. Emund was succeeded by his son-in law, Stenkil.
The Hervarar saga says that Emund was king only a short time:
Eymundr hét annarr sonr Óláfs sænska, er konungdóm tók eptir bróður sinn. Um hans daga heldu Svíar illa kristnina. Eymundr var litla hríð konungr.[3]
Olaf the Swede had another son called Eymund, who came to the throne after his brother. In his day the Swedes neglected the Christian religion, but he was King for only a short time.[4]
References[edit source | editbeta]

^ Odelberg, Maj (1995), "Emund gamle", Vikingatidens ABC, Swedish Museum of National Antiquities, ISBN 91-7192-984-3
^ Stenkil, Kung i Sverige (Nordisk familjebok)
^ Hervarar saga ok Heiðreks, Guðni Jónsson's og Bjarni Vilhjálmsson's edition at «Norrøne Tekster og Kvad».
^ The Saga of Hervör and Heithrek, in Stories and Ballads of the Far Past, translated from the Norse (Icelandic and Faroese), by N. Kershaw.Cambridge at the University Press, 1921.

Gunhild Sveinsdotter
(kvinna)

Gunhild Sveinsdotter (or Haraldsdotter), Guda or Gyda, Old Norse: Gunnhildr (Traditionally dead in Gudhem, Västergötland, Sweden, c. 1060), was a Swedish and Danish Mediavel and Viking age queen, queen consort of king Anund Jacob of Sweden and of king Sweyn II of Denmark. Her parentage is not confirmed; she is called Gunhild Svensdotter or Gunhild Haraldsdotter depending on parentage. She is also sometimes called Guda or Gyda, but this is probably because she is often confused with her daughter, Princess Gyda Anundsdotter of Sweden, who is also known under her mother's name Gunhild.The information about Queen Gunhild is often contradictory. Some sources claim that she was the child of the Norwegian Saint Harald, but the other suggested parentage is considered more likely. Here, she is said to be the child of the Norwegian jarl Svein Håkonsson and Holmfrid, daughter (or sister) of king Olof Skötkonung and sister of king Emund the Old of Sweden.

Gunhild married king Anund Jacob on an unknown date. Sometimes, the marriage is called childless, and sometimes, they were said to have a daughter by the name of Gyda, sometimes also kalled Guda or Gunhild. It is possible that Gyda was the daughter of Anund by another woman, and that Gunhild was her stepmother. Gunhild and her daughter/stepdaughter Gyda are often confused with each other. Gyda was married to king Sweyn II of Denmark, who had spent some time at the Swedish court during his political exile from Denmark, in about 1047, but she soon died (in 1048/49).

In 1050, Anund Jacob died, and Queen Dowager Gunhild went to Denmark and married her stepdaughter's widower, her former son-in-law, king Swein Estridsson of Denmark. The marriage did not last long; the church considered the marriage illegal because they were to closely related - either because they were cousins, or because Swein had been married to her daughter - and they were threatened with excommunication if they did not separate. Gunhild was thereby forced to return to Sweden, in 1051/52. Gunhild and her daughter's marriage with Swein have also been confused with each other.

Gunhild returned to her estates in Västergötland were she, according to tradition, spent her remaining days in pious repentance for her sins and religious acts. She is raported to have founded a studio of the making of textiles and habits for clerical use. Her most known work was a choirgown she made for the cathedral of Roskilde. According to legend, she was to have founded the convent of Gudhem Abbey in 1052/54. In reality, however, this convent was founded exactly one hundred years later (in 1152). It is possible that the legend of the convent came about because she and her women lived an isolated religious life and the making of churchrobes on her estates; one of her estates is believed to have been Gudhem. Adam of Bremen calls her Sanctissima, and describes her hospitability toward the missionary bishop Adalvard, who had been turned away from Skara by King Emund the Old. Tradition says she died in Gudhem, were she had "shown so much virtue" during her set-back, and was buried under a gravestone shaped to her likeness.

9/14/2013 at 3:11 AM

@Annette, jeg føler meg ikke helt overbevist.
Vi har ikke funnet ut hvor historien om Maria kommer fra, og de to artiklene du siterer ovenfor viser bare hvilke barn som er nevnt i sagaene - de gir seg ikke ut for å gi en liste over alle barna til disse kongene.

Det er ganske mye tekst i "about me" som også inneholder henvisninger - denne har kanskje like mye autoritet som Wikipedia i og for seg. (Og lenken til historiska er til en side som ikke lenger eksisterer)

9/16/2013 at 12:03 AM

Den eneste barn der bliver nævnt af Gunhild og Anund skal være denne Guda /Gunhild. At de andre steder nævnes som barnløse er nok fordi de ikke har nogle sønner( der er levende ihvertfald).
Det er muligt at alle børn ikke er nævnt i Sagaerne, men jeg syntes heller ikke man kan opfinde en datter som ikke bliver nævnt.
Det vides at Emund efterfulgte Anund på Tronen og at Stenkild fulgte efter Emund. Han havde gennem sin egen position ingen ret til tronen. Denne ret ville han kun kunne opnå ved at gifte sig ind i slægten. Hans direkte adgang til tronen ville være gennem Emonds datter. Hvis han havde giftet sig med Anunds datter ville der kunne sættes spørgsmål til denne ret. MAnden til Emonds datter ville også kunne gøre krav på tronen.
Dette sammenlagt med sagaerne og det faktum at Svend Estridsen er kendt gift med Anunds datter og ikke gør krav på denne trone gør det meget sandsynligt at det er Emund og Astrid der her Marias forældre

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