William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke - Father of his country?

23rd great grandfather here. Nice to see a non royal.

William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke is my 25th great grandfather. Very proud of my heritage even if I share it so widely!

I think he'd miss the MRCA distinction by at least a few decades. Edward III is estimated to be a direct ancestor of a minimum of 99% of people with English ancestry, so that makes me think there has to be someone more recent than Marshal, even if only by a couple generations, for the British Isles MRCA. Maybe someone has an exact projection? Or I can look it up.

(And 21st-great-grandfather for me.)

I'd take the old Marshal over any old king any day. He was quite a decent sort, for his time, and you can't say that about very many kings. :-P

Alas, if you've got one, you've got the other. :)

I can ignore the kings, and generally do. :-D

@William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke is my 22 grt grandfather Judy Rice

William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke is my 23rd great grandfather.

One of my favourite grandfathers...22nd

William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke, is my first cousin 26 times removed.

Martin-Weaver: First person reporting in who *isn't* a direct descendant. Of course, that could always change as more lines are connected....

Hawise de Salisbury is my 25th GGM.
William Marshal is her sister's son.

20th great grandfather :)

21st great grandfather. :))

23rd ggf for me too..

on his profile, I dont believe Isabel Delaware Marshall was ever his wife, (the other Isabel was ). I have searched all over and all I have come up with is this:
http://familytrees.genopro.com/beltster/Marshall/default.htm?page=M...
and that William's grandfather was Gilbert , and he is also listed here as isabel delaware marshall's grandfather. So I think someone made a slight error. Other than that I can find no record of her anywhere, not even on the wikipedia page or any of his sources in the about me.

Somebody merged another profile recently - maybe that's how she snuck in.

I think she's supposed to be Isabel de Clare, but somebody was dyslexic. :-D

Yep - there's a perfect match between

Isabel "Delaware Marshall" and Isabel de Clare
her father Richard "Delaware Marshall" and Richared de Clare
her grandfather Gilbert "Delaware Marshall" and Gilbert Strongbow FitzGilbert de Clare
and so on

But it's going to take a curator to fix this.

However, it's going to take

Disregard last line, I forgot to delete it when editing the message.

Ofir Friedman the profile is locked - can you have a look?

William Marshal, 1st Earl of Pembroke is W's first cousin 26 times removed.

Ofir's got the lot locked up so no one else can touch them (except Richard, who is now "DeClare" as he should be).

There were no "Delawares" in the 12th century - the name back then was "de la Warre" and has never been connected so directly with William the Marshal.

NO ONE before William the Marshal should be using the surname "Marshal(l)" - especially not his in-laws.

yeah so isabel delaware marshall needs to be removed, as I stated, and the other Isabel left as his wife.

Or merged with Isabel de Clare, since they are (or should be) one and the same.

already been taken care of :)

I have got back as far as Nigel de Plumpton and Avicia de Clare in my family tree, around 1220. I believe Avicia de Clare is related to William Marshall, probably his granddaughter. There is an Avicia de Clare, born in 1220, but Isobel, William Marshall's wife died in 1220 a year after her beloved William, so unless she was pregnant the year she died, I'm confused. Can anyone help?

I've just made a stupid mistake. Of course, it was Isobel and William's daughter who had Avicia. I'm not sure which one.