Pierre Bonneau - Parents

Originally I had Pierre Bonneau (1620-1715) as the son of Jean Bonneau (1595-1674) and Catherine Poulet (1615-1666) and I think that this is how it should be. Somehow my tree got all mixed up and linked with many others and everything changed. I did not make those link or merged, but now me tree is all messed up.
WHen dealing with People it is better to ingluced Birth and Death dates so that there could be no confusion.

Hope this will help......................Ghislain Bonneau (1948- )
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Maybe it is just the Birth date of Catherine Poulet (1615-1666) that is not right. She could not have been born in 1615 if her son Pierre Bonneau (1620-1715) was born in 1620. And also that would make her 20 Years older then her husband Jean Bonneau (1595-1674)

Ghislain Bonneau.

Now it hows that Pierre Bonneau was born in 1627 rather then 1620 and that makes more sense.
Maybe there is also two Pierre Bonneau from another Bonneau Family other then the parents Jean Bonneau (1595-1674) with Catherine Poulet (1615-1666) in France.
Not easy to make senses of all of this.
Ghislain.

Private User, you were not the only one with those links. It's been repeated by several people (and duplicated online), which is why they ended up like that. Birth dates don't add up, life-span seems unlikely, etc. I disconnected Pierre Bonneau (b1620) for the moment from Jean and Catherine (can reconnect as needed) and updated the birth and death date on that profile, recreated as Pierre Bonneau dit La Bécasse. I did this based on the WikiTree, which seem to reflect something that made sense and had some source links.

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bonneau-132

Based on sourcing and family trees at Ancestry, it looks like the dates and relationships reflect that Pierre Bonneau (b1640/1645 d1717), husband of Maire-Michelle Duval is the proper son of Jean and Catherine. This would also line up with the timeline regarding Catherine's birth (which the Ancestry trees put at 1610) and a more likely life span for Pierre.

According to MyTrees.com Pierre Bonneau was born in 1629 so I have updated his records. Looks like this one is the sun of Jean Bonneau (1595-1674) and Catherine Poulet (1615-1666) so Catherine Poulet would have been 14 when her son Pierre was born, and in is very likely since that in those days Girls married quite young.
Thanks for the link at wikitree.
Ghislain.

I'm not sure that solves anything.. we still don't know if Pierre c1629 (m Marie Lambert) or Pierre c1640 (m Marie-Michelle Duval) is the son of Jean and Catherine. At the moment, they both are.. which doesn't seem to make sense. One of them is probably incorrect and we can find online trees that report both. The common marriage date for Jean and Catherine is 1644. While possible to have a child at 14, I would not say it was very likely - I rarely see such early teen mothers in French / Canadian lines. 33 year old rapes a 13 year old... possible, but it seems more likely we just got the wrong Pierre and that the 1640 Pierre is the correct child. We need some actual sourced evidence.

There are also a lot of trees that put Catherine's birth at 1599.

Ok.. so some more research.. Looking at the death of Pierre c1640, his name is actually listed as "Bon". So looking at francogene, I found this, which lists him as Pierre BON dit LACOMBE, with no parents.
http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec-genealogy/016/016044.php

I also found the other profiles in francogene.
http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec-genealogy/002/002199.php
http://www.francogene.com/genealogie-quebec-genealogy/002/002916.php

One thing to note Pierre Duchesne dit Lapierre and Pierre Bonneau dit La Bécasse, if half-siblings, are inlaws of their children Joseph Bonneau & Marie-Madeleine Duchesne, which would make them first cousins if Catherine Poulet was Pierre Bonneau's mother and if she was the same woman who married Jean Duchesne.

Thanks a lot for the info and the many links, It is all very interesting, I will investigate further and keep you updated if I find anything else.

Ghislain.

I've been trying to add sources to these profiles. I haven't found much on Catherine and Jean yet, but I'll keep looking.

I found what I think may be the death record of Pierre Bonneau dit La Bécasse, which looks like Feb 1717 and lists what I believe to be the father, Jean Bonneau dit LaBecasse. I'm not good at reading French though...
http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1091&path=Q.Qu...

Many of the online trees put his death date at 4 April 1717, but I think that is the death date of Pierre Bon dit LaCombe.

I ment to say 4 Apr 1715, which should be listed in this source. Second up on the bottom left.
http://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000019312366015

Needs a translation...

Hi Jeff.
Here is a link that you will like and where I found my basic information for Pierre Bonneau originally (1620) from this website you dont need to pay. For his death this is what I have right now.
(Death 1715-04-04 at 75 in Poitou-Charentes, France)

Link at familysearch.org;
http://histfam.familysearch.org/getperson.php?personID=I8068&tr...
I dont know how accurate they are, I am still working on that.
Ghislain.

I uploaded the source to Geni, which I think could be the death of Pierre Bonneau. I read Feb 1717, but don't know enough French to decode the rest.
http://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000019327572003

The source for the 4 Apr 1715 date identifies the person as Pierre Bon. I can't read enough to get more out of it, but that death date looks like it belongs to Pierre Bon dit LaCombe.

I also identified two documents that show the burial date of 5 Apr 1715 for Pierre Bon dit LaCombe
So I'm pretty confident that 4 Apr 1715 not the death date of Pierre Bonneau dit La Bécasse

http://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000019324049009
http://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000019324088001

Looking a bit more, I"m seeing Pierre Bonneau, that could be attributed to the Fed 1717 date.

Child of Jean Bonneau, Elisabeth Gagne
BIRTH: 17 Mar. 1714 - Canada
DEATH: 9 Feb. 1717 - Montmorency, Quebec, Canada

Hopefully the translation will clarify, but I expect this is the case.

jhI jEFF,
On your note of 5:13 from that link I can read.
from that source......

The 9th of February 1717 was inhumed in the ---runreadable--- of this Parish ---unreadable--- P. Bonneau son of Joseph Bonneau dit La Becasse
and the rest is also enreadable.
Hope this helps.
Ghislain.

ON your note of 5:29 the document is more readable it says

BON Pierre, Born 1645 from the Diocese of Chartres; (S) ---I presume that S in french stands for Succombe witch means Died at Charlesbourg.

Like you I think that BON Pierre here is BON Pierre Lacombe and not Pierre Bonneau the one we are lookinf for.

Ghislain.

I'm seeing a couple other possible death dates on Ancestry trees for Pierre Bonneau dit La Bécasse.
* 30 Nov 1701, Ile d'Orleans, Montmorency, Quebec
* 16 SEP 1670, St-Joseph de Vernoux-sur-Boutonne, Niort, Poitiers, Poitou, France

Interesting... I haven't yet tested my DNA, but James Elwood Bonneau has tested the Paternal Haplogroup I2b linked to Pierre.
http://ldna.ancestry.com/treeResult.aspx?dna=014bcf94-0001-0000-000...

Hi Jeff,
16 SEP 1670 can not be our man. I want to talk to you about my translation . Scepulture does not mean that he died it means that he was burried. On the note it says that he was burried the same day that he died. Further more at the beginning it says what looks like a 9 and then "er or em". In french only number 1 would have "er" after it and any other number would be followed by em. But I cant make out if it is er or em. Anyway here is a better translation of what it says. The more I looked at it and mthe more I can read the writing.

" The -??- of February 1717 was buried in the cemetery of this parish Pierre Bonneau who died the same day son of Jean Bonneau dit La Becace elder" and the rest I think relate to either the Priest's name or the notary.
Hope this will help.......Ghislain.

Thanks for the further translation. Just so I understand the process of elimination for the research, why could 16 Sep 1670 not be our man?

Another reason I ask is that there are a couple trees on MyHeritage that use the 1670 date for Pierre Bonneau dit La Bécasse, but I'm still not finding a source.

I found this interesting source, but it doesn't link to the actual document that I could try to translate to get more information. It's just the Ancestry index of the document. The index says:

Name: Pierre Bonneau
Birth Date: 4 mars 1630
Birth City: Vignoux-Sur-Barangeon
Father: Pierre Bonneau
Mother: Catherine P…Re

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSA...

Hi Jeff
* 16 SEP 1670, This is the date that Marie Lambert died, wife of Pierre Bonneau.
MARIE LAMBERT
(Born 1627 Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France)
(Death 1670-09-16 in Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou-Charentes, France)

Somehow somebody wrote his wife's death date instead of his.
People makes mistakes like that all the time.
but I also makes mistakes.
Earlier I meant 30 Nov 1701 can not be our man instead of 16 of September
Sorry about that..
The pierre Bonneau husband of Marie Lambert did not come to Canada and died 1715-04-04 in Poitou-Charentes, France
according to my records.

Ghislain.

Ghislain,
1715-04-04 is not correct. That is the death of Pierre Bon dit LaCombe, not Pierre Bonneau dit La Bécasse. We have good sourcing for that.

I think it's possible that Pierre Bonneau dit La Bécasse did immigrate to Canada sometime between 1650 - 1670. His son, Joseph Bonneau dit La Bécasse was born in France in 1651, but according sourced data entered here, he married Marie-Anne Lelong on 1670-09-16 in Sainte-Famille, Quebec at the age of 19. Also, his children with Marie-Anne were born in Sainte-Famille. While 19 is old enough to immigrate to Canada on his own, it seems possible that his parents brought him over sometime prior, where Joseph then met Marie-Anne and married her there. The Quebec based source also lists Pierre and Marie Lambert as Joseph's parents, which might lend more weight to the idea that they were also in Quebec.

While sourcing Joseph's family, I noticed the marriage date for Marie-Anne and Joseph is on the same date that his mother, Mary Lambert, supposedly died (1670-09-16). Now we see three events (two deaths and a marriage) associated with the date 1670-09-16; maybe it was one hell of a reception, but I expect it is just as you describe, a transcription error, but instead of being Mary Lambert's death, we have a source that shows it as Joseph and Marie-Anne's marriage. Also, I think I found the source for the 30 Nov 1701 date. Joseph was buried on that date. So unless the father / son died together, again, I think we're dealing with a transcription error on some of these trees.

So via process of elimination, based on sources, I gather that these dates are not the death dates of Pierre Bonneau dit La Bécasse.
* 30 Nov 1701
* 16 SEP 1670
* 4 Apr 1715

So I have no idea when Pierre died, but unless multiple events happend on the same day, it's not any of the dates found on these common online trees. I'll keep looking :)

Great info here, I'm adding it into the About section for Joseph Bonneau dit La Bécasse. The way it reads leads me to think that Pierre Bonneau dit La Bécasse and Marie Lambert did not immigrate with him.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=11221b&id=I0...

Wikitree lists Pierre Bonneau dit La Bécasse death year as 1670, no specific date: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bonneau-132

It sources:
Title: Dictionnaire Genealogique Des Familles Bonneau, Edition: 3rd Abbreviation: Dictionairy of the Bonneau Family 3rd 2006 Author: Bonneau, Louis-Philippe; and Trudy Belcher Publication: Le Ralliement des Famillies Bonneau, 2006 Repository

Page: A-4 Note: Joseph Bonneau dit La Bécasse CONT Fils de Pierre et Marie Lambert CONT Ne vers 1649, a Vernoux-sur-Boutonne, eveche de Poitiers. Il decede le 30 novembre 1701, a l'le 'Orleans, Quebec. CONT En 1670, Pierre le pere de Joseph est decede. CONT Le 16 septembre 1670 il épouse Marie-Anne Lelong, une fine du Roi, de la region de Paris. CONT Fille de Jacques et Marguerite Grosnier de St.-Pierre-aux-Bceufs, eveche de Paris. Elle decede le 17 février 1684. CONT Le 11 avril 1684, it épouse Madeleine Duchesne dit Lapierre. Fille de Pierre Duchesne et Catherine Rivet.

Ghislain,
That source led me here:
http://www.bonneau.ca/

It looks like it might have some very accurate records and sources for this family. With this being their specific interest and focus, I'd trust their data more than most. As a descendent with the Bonneau surname, would you consider joining the site and seeing what they have?

Hi Jeff,
My sister told me that this site was out and not online anymore so I did not look into it, My sister is sending me all she had on our family but I dont think that she had anything before Joseph Bonneau Dit LaBecasse.(b.1629)
WIll see when I get the documentation.
I will let you know.............Thanks..................Ghislain.

I will try to join this site http://www.bonneau.ca/
for more information.
Ghislaiin.