Margaret Wheldon (Diguina) - contradictory DNA evidence.

http://jliptrap.us/gen/nehgr.pdf

The origin of Gabriel Whelden of Yarmouth and Malden. Dan Porter & Daniel Stramara, Jr.

(needs to be added to his profile, advise when done)

Also take a look at a chart on this English family

https://books.google.com/books?id=y2sgAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA153&lpg...

Tagging Gabriel Whelden

And the uploaded NEHGR article is here

http://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000036253590551&

Wendy,what I've read ,and I'll have to find that site to,is that Gabriel Wheldon didn't go back to England after marrying Oquina because she was Native American,and had to make his home in Massachusetts.But I'll check to find where I read that.

There's a 1935 article by Franklyn BeArce stating it was orally handed down that Oquina was the mother of all Gabriel Wheldon's Children and that he was outer by the Europeans and only reclaimed his status as Freeman years later.That is what was said by apparently the Mattacheese.Look at Gabriel Wheldon Minor Desent 2013.it should come up.Hope this helps

Yes, the article is here:

http://minerdescent.com/2013/01/11/gabriel-wheldon/

Legend of Gabriel’s Wampanoag Wife

There is a persistent but quite apocryphal story that Gabriel and one or two of his brothers arrived soon after the Mayflower, seamen who deserted ship, escaped to the Wampanoag Indian village at PoKoNet [Pokanoket?], and took wives among the daughters of Chief Massasoit’s brother Quadequina.

Returning to Plymouth after the birth of several children, he was tried by the court at Plymouth and “sentenced to exile” at Mattacheese, on land donated by the Cape Tribes, regaining “Freeman” status only after many years. This “legend” appears to have started with a 1935 article by Franklyn BeArce, a claimed descendant of Massasoit, “From Out of the Past, Who Our Forefathers Really Were, Our White and Indian Ancestors Back to 1628,” supposedly based on information handed down for 300 years by word of mouth.

Historians and genealogists have demonstrated many fallacies in this story, such as documentation of Gabriel’s presence in England in 1637-8, and his grant of lands in Mattacheese as a Freeman, and holding office there within three years. That town was, in fact, not a place of exile, but a prestigious expansion community as Plymouth grew. There also is no record of a trial or sentence or sanctions of any kind in Plymouth; nor of the three-way, top level negotiations that would have been needed to obtain land for him from the Indians. A search of the records of Massachusetts Bay Colony also found no reference to any legal action against Gabriel under any spelling of his name. BeArce also identified Gabriel’s wife Margaret as a full-blooded Wampanoag, and mother of all of his children, when she is known to have been the sister of Reverend Marmaduke Matthews, Yarmouth neighbor and friend of Gabriel Whelden, and married Gabriel in 1649, and was possibly the mother of only his daughter Sarah.

However, one researcher quotes a note from Plimoth Plantation Records, yet to be found, that “Gabriell Wheildon – a fisherman came 1629 – ship Lyons Whelp to Salem (the voyage that brought my paternal ancestor Thomas MINER – see my post Lyon’s Whelp) Later in 1638 moved to Yarmouth” Whether this is the same person is not determined. But, as noted above, Gabriel is documented as still resident in England on 20 Apr 1638. Charles Banks’ The Planters of the Commonwealth names 14 of the 40+ passengers on the Lyon’s Whelp, (but not Gabriel), which sailed from Gravesend, east of London, 25 Apr 1629, arriving in Salem in the middle of July. She also brought “six fishermen from Dorchester,” without the usual fee, on a special agreement that they help feed the passengers, and spend some time fishing for the colony. They would then be allowed to return to England if they wished. Since the record at Plymouth says that Gabriell Wheildon was a fisherman, he was probably from Dorchester, and not the Gabriel Whelden, blacksmith and farmer, from Basford.

Although . . . The Court Orders of Plymouth Colony, 17 June 1641, record: “It is ordered by the Court, that Willim Lumpkine & Hugh Tilly shall pay to Gabriell Wheildon [15 shillings] for his third part of the skiffe or boate they were partners in, & his damnag sustayned in the want thereof to fetch fish to fish his corne wthall, and the boat or skiffe to be theires.” This would indicate that Gabriel Whelden of Yarmouth was, at least sometimes, a fisherman, as well as a blacksmith and a farmer. However, “to fish his corn” indicates that he used the fish he caught to fertilize his corn crop. Commonly in that time period, a hill of corn would be planted with a fish, or part of a fish, on top of the seeds as fertilizer.

A variation of the Indian story, seeking to claim Indian ancestry, tries to explain the birth of Gabriel’s half-Indian children in England by the claim that Oguina, daughter of Quadequina, was six years old in 1608 when she was picked up off the beach on Cape Cod (alternate story says Rhode Island) by a British fishing vessel, taken to England, baptized Margaret, and eventually married Gabriel Whelden.

Did these people exist?

William Abraham Wheldon & his wife Trenda Jenette Wheldon

They were not Gabriel's parents (I've fixed it). His Father was a brother of Thomas Whelden who apparently had no children himself & named Gabriel his heir. That brother was either Henry, or someone whose name is not known.

Will have to go back over this later, but I just remembered something. I think there was a lawsuit against the Wheldon brothers banishing them from the colony at Plymouth for marrying native girls. Did you mention that earlier? I'm cross-eyed from lack of sleep atm.

Also, Oguina went to England when she was younger. It's where she learned English.

I 'think' they married in New England, but was never sure about that part.

oh. I can't think, but I think the Wheldon's and Oguina and her sister established one of the very next colonies after Plymouth. They had to go somewhere after being banished and her family invited them into their local tribes area. Find out which colony or town was set up as the 2nd or 3rd established after Plymouth, and that's where they lived, since they set it up. Other people just sort of moved in around them, until the town formed. It was unplanned.

Oguina is credited with going back to England with one daughter, but Mr. Wheldon died in New England. Oguina didn't leave until after his death, in her later years, but I'm again not positive about it.

forgive me if I just repeated stuff you wrote, Erica. I saw it was a lot and am about to crash, so...

G'nite, cuz. I'll look at it later. :3

Don't know about the parents of Wheldon. I'm mostly on Oguina's side of the family...

oh, I see there's a problem with the document for Wheldon's exile. It wasn't called an exile. They called it something else. Guess I'll have to hunt those papers down that talks about it. Not my stuff, so don't know what it'll say.

Is it possible there's a mixup in Gabriel Whelden's?

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However, one researcher quotes a note from Plimoth Plantation Records, yet to be found, that “Gabriell Wheildon – a fisherman came 1629 – ship Lyons Whelp to Salem (the voyage that brought my paternal ancestor Thomas MINER – see my post Lyon’s Whelp) Later in 1638 moved to Yarmouth” Whether this is the same person is not determined. But, as noted above, Gabriel is documented as still resident in England on 20 Apr 1638. Charles Banks’ The Planters of the Commonwealth names 14 of the 40+ passengers on the Lyon’s Whelp, (but not Gabriel), which sailed from Gravesend, east of London, 25 Apr 1629, arriving in Salem in the middle of July. She also brought “six fishermen from Dorchester,” without the usual fee, on a special agreement that they help feed the passengers, and spend some time fishing for the colony. They would then be allowed to return to England if they wished. Since the record at Plymouth says that Gabriell Wheildon was a fisherman, he was probably from Dorchester, and not the Gabriel Whelden, blacksmith and farmer, from Basford.

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Gabriel Whelden, yeoman of Basford, was a middle aged man of property & craft. His wife Jane was censured for non conforming religious beliefs in 1637, which seems to have prompted him to sell out and emigrate with his grown children in 1638 to the Plymouth Colony. His skills were quickly recognized, he was made Freeman, and offered prime real estate in the new colonization of Yarmouth. When he died his (substantial) estate was willed to his surviving widow Margaret; his will was witnessed by his possible nephews, the son of the Yarmouth / Malden minister Rev. Marmaduke Matthews. Margaret Whelden had signed a letter protesting his ousting (proving literacy). The grown children of Gabriel contested the will & their step mother returned to Wales in 1655 with her daughter Sara born 1650 & her brother Rev Matthews & his family.

See

yeah. probably. the whole thing with giving Oguina his dead wife's name was enough to screw it all up in itself. But what if they've gotten the Wheldon brothers mixed up too? I don't know.

I did see something with the original Margaret Wheldon's grave info on it, but think it was on Ancestory, so can't check it.

Erica, you might try perusing the Ariail Family documents in the projects section. Gabriel Wheldon may be listed on that as well. It was difficult for me to make sense of, which was the reason for the project in the first place. Think there is a link between Luke Ariail and Gabriel Wheldon.

and what if Gabriel's father was Gabriel, Sr.? That's screw it up, too. I haven't done serious research into the Wheldons, so couldn't say one way or another.

The Gabriel who settled in Yarmouth has a known ancestry & no known brothers. He first came to America in 1638.

It appears there were possible "Wheldon" brothers, fishermen, who were (unnamed) on a 1629 ship from Bristol UK to Massachusetts. They were fishermen for hire so did not need emigration papers in any sense; and I think we all know that there were European fishing vessels coming & going long before settlement?

So i think it a disservice not to consider this more likely route for the story of Oguina & her sister marrying English brothers ....

I'm all for whatever. most of the facts are muddied. Only thing I can verify was the Diguina/ Oguina problem. If you can find out more, I'm all for it. :3

Descendants of Austin Bearce and Mary at Home.Comcast.Net has a link to the Franklyn BeArce Manuscript written in 1935,you can probably"Google" Franklyn BeArce Manuscript written 1935 and read the article,I have the article saved on my phone,but I don't know how to copy it to the Geni site.

Apparently the 1938 Bearse article was debunked by Donald Lines Jacobus, who is considered the founder of professional American genealogy. So we need to do better than that.

True Erica,I'm putting information out for and against to get to the bottom of this.I think the National Geographic DNA would probably be the best source because they link bloodlines to names from what I understand? I'm hoping soon to take one of these to get this information cleared up.I'm also looking at other resources in the meantime.

Among librarians at the Library of Congress, Jacobus is known as an author for hire. A librarian told one Bearse researcher that Jacobus wrote so many books each year that he could not have done much research. In one instance he was hired by a town to compile the records they provided. Wealthy people paid to be in the book and provided the details. Of course, they were selective in what they included and omitted. The poor and non-prominent were not included.

Very good point, Elwin.

suzanne warner my understanding of the current state for identifying Native American markers through DNA tests is -- it's complex, and there are a lot of issues still to be resolved.

I'm no expert! But this is my understanding ....

- Unless it is a Y DNA or Mt DNA test (father > father >...) or (mother > mother > ...), DNA randomnizes very quickly, within 5 gens. So for atDNA tests going back to a postulated ancestress 10 gens ago, chances are very good there won't be any in yours ... Which does "not" disprove it.

- the reference population database is not optimal. In other words, there is likely not enough testing (yet) from native north americans to construct good database information. For South Americans it looks like there is, and SA & Central American native ancestry is better / easier found.

- as a result the markers that are identified are "fuzzy" and may be lumped with "further back" categories (Siberian, Mongol, South East Asian ... .?). Luckily these categorizations are refined every day -- it's still early days in DNA science but the growth & understanding rate is fantastic.

There is also the problem with much of the Tribes of the East Coast being related and inter-breeding. There was a lot of inter-mingling in the 30000 years they lived along this area. It can be difficult to identify 'which' race of N. American they even are.

And there is that little DNA problem of combining small amounts of racial ancestry to end up with a greater percentage showing than was in either parent. And other issues...

Try finding documents from the 1600s - 1800's. Any from 1900 to Now need a lot of verifiable supporting documents. Stuff from 1900 - 19XX (was it 1945 when Jacobus set the guidelines?) tends to be questionable. I've seen some square pegs that no amount of fiddling will put in a round hole.

just saying...

Anyone find the records of Colonial Plymouth's trial cases? Gabriel Wheldon and his brother are supposed to be in one. They used an unrelated argument to get them sent from town, but I still can't find the paper that explained that. (Actually, I haven't had the time to look through my things for it.)

I did see the trial paper,I have to go back and find out where and what it said.

Also someone mentioned on a site that if Gabriel Wheldon had brought his children from another wife on board a ship from England,they would have been half grown by then and would have had to have been listed by English Law as being aboard Ship.

The person was saying there was no listing of his children on board the ship.

suzanne warner

There is no extant ship's register listing Gabriel Wheldon, children, wives. This is not unusual. The first record of him in America is 1638; his children have baptismal registry entries in Basford, Nottinghamshire, England between 1612 and 1630, except for Sarah, born 1650 in Massachusetts.

Refs: http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachuse...
http://media.geni.com/p13/24/00/df/41/5344483e5d39e417/nehgr_origin...

Here is the DL Jacobus article on Bearse

http://www.murrah.com/gen/jacobus.doc