Christian Atkins (Chase), Dutchess - What is meant by "dutchess"?

Private User from the "revision" tab it looks like you added the suffix "Dutchess.". There is however no note in the overview or any attached document that supports it. May we erase it?

Not me as far as I know but if iI did it was in the discription I took it from and bt the way a person can be a duxhessby birth right or perhapes pervious marriage .Let me check and see what's what. I don't normally use the prefex. At least I didn't use to .

Erase it if it makes you happy.

By the way just checked and there are 25 other people involved in this profile. Check with them about this problem. Maybe they know something about this. I am sure I am not the only one who can't spell.and am suffering from lack of spell check on this computer. Trying to not add any info on anyone when not using large computer. Infact I rarely add anything to any profile since I am always being merged and other people are adding or removing . So why bother? I will still check out my info anyway.Get back to you if I have anything to add!

Thanks Judy. I've erased the Dutchess suffix and get back us if you locate a source reference for it. This applies to the other managers of course - I tagged you because "revision history" showed you added it.

PS reading the "overview" again I do see:

"Christiana married Henry Atkins on 11 Jun 1576 in Chesham, Buckinghamshire, England (Duchess)."

So it seems like a geographic reference, perhaps.

Christian or Christiana was born June 9, 1555 in Hundridge, Buckinghamshire, England. was buried on 18 Apr 1599. Christiana married Henry Atkins on 11 Jun 1576 in Chesham, Buckinghamshire, England -------------------------- (Duchess). Full text of "Encyclopedia of Connecticut biography, genealogical-memorial; representative citizens;" http://www.archive.org/stream/encyclopediaofco03amer/encyclopediaof... CHASE, Charles Edward, Active Factor in Insurance Circles. The Chase family, of which Charles Edward Chase, chairman of the board of directors of the Hartford Fire Insurance Company, and a prominent public official, is a worthy representative, is of English origin, being among the ancient and highly honored families of England, the name being derived undoubtedly from the French word, Chasser, to hunt. They are one of the families entitled to bear a coat-of-arms, described as follows : Gules four crosses patence argent (two and two), on a canton azure a lion rampant or. (IV) Thomas (2) Chase, fifth son of Matthew and Elizabeth (Bould) Chase, was of Hundrich, in Parish Chesham. where his active and useful life was spent. He married and was the father of five children, born at Hundrich : John, baptized November 30, 1540; Richard, of whom further; Agnes, baptized January 9, 1551 ; William ; 'Christian'. She was my husband's 11th great grandmother.

It's acturally Christian not Christina.. If I put Dutchess in then I had to have seen it somewhere and vaguely I do remember it but I don't remember where. A lot of notes are misplaced due to decorating tfor Christmas.They are here somewhere as I rarely throw anything out.

Thank you, Carol.

I'm going back to Robert's interesting question - what does the "duchess" refer to?

"Christiana married Henry Atkins on 11 Jun 1576 in Chesham, Buckinghamshire, England (Duchess)."

Is there a Duchess sub section of Chesham in England? A church? ?

I have her name as Christian and added Christiana to the AKA / nickname field.

PS it would be nice to find an image of the coat of arms to use it on the profiles entitled to bear it. I don't think that would be any of the US Chase family.

My own direct lines seemed to marry in with Chase repeatedly over generations, which is very interesting.

There must be one somewhere.

In England coats of arms belong to the male-line descendants of the original grantee. Walk up the Chase tree, and see if any of them were granted arms.

That is the general rule, - it follows the sword arm, but daughters are using or referred to them too, but not her children.
A coat of arm can however change from one generation to another. If a mother also is from a "powerful" family a symbol from her coat of arm might get included in the children version of their father's coat of arm.

Bjørn, the rule in England and Scotland is very different from what it is in Scandinavia and elsewhere. A woman transmits her father's coat of arms to her children if she has no brothers, but generally not otherwise. It doesn't matter how powerful (or not) her family is.

In England it is necessary that the woman's husband have a coat of arms. If he doesn't, her arms don't get transmitted. Same in Scotland, except there is also an option for children to inherit their mother's arms if they take her surname.

But can the coat of arm change in England and Scotland?

And in genealogy it definitely does not go up a line. I have personally removed a coat of arm from profiles on generations before the person who got knighted.

I'm worried about her "child" Alice Stevens

Father is showing as John, George ... Or Henry.

Anyone have good sources?

There's a reference to Christian's father as "Baron of Chesham Hundred" but I'm pretty sure that's anachronistic and wouldn't apply by the 16th century. Apparently

"Chesham is noted for the religious dissent which dominated the town from the 15th century. In 1532 Thomas Harding was burnt at the stake in the town for being a Lollard and heretic. From the 17th century Chesham was a focus for those dissenting from mainstream religion. Quakers met in the late 17th century in Chesham and in 1798 they built the current meeting house. The first Baptists' meeting dates back to about 1640 and a place was registered for services in 1706. ..."

"In 1630 Aquila Chase left Chesham to join the colony, settling first at Hampton (now New Hampshire), then Newbury, Massachusetts. ..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesham

Henry is Alice's father's name. Coat of arms I found on line looked like the following:. White with thick blue stripe in top, two thin stripes in midle and bottom tip also blue. Three gold ball like shapes are on the top stripe.

Judy I'm getting contradictory sources on the father and not seeing any baptismal records for Alice.

It would interesting to know the context for Christian's father as a baron. There were baronies by tenure in both England and Scotland, but at this date they would not still exist in England. Lord of the manor, maybe. If you want to know about a coat of arms, check the Visitation pedigrees.

Bjørn, in England a coat of arms would not change except at a very early date. In Scotland any change would likely be the mark of a junior branch.
You are right: in England a coat of arms never coat up a line. In Scotland, maybe -- if the grant is to someone and the descendants of his grandfather, for example. The Scots still do that.

Henry was a physician. \
Oxford Dictionary of National Biography

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Atkins,_Henry_(DNB00) looks like a different person. Died 1635, married Mary Pigot.

Henry Atkins:
Birth: 1520 in Cardington, Bedfordshire, England
Death: 1586 in Chesham, Buckinghamshire, England

his son, Henry Atkins:
Birth: 1551 in Cardington, Bedfordshire, England
Death: 1628 in Somme, Picardie, France
Relatives: Henry Atkins (Father).

That sounds right to me. Any info I have found has Alice's father as Henry and he was born about 1554/1555 which would have made him about 16 when he got married!!551 would have made him 19 when he got married.Of he could have been only 16 at the time of marriage. Marriagers were arranged back then, Look at Henry 2nd of Egland he was just a boy when he married the much older devoised Eleanor. No wonder they hated each other so much . Yet they had JOhn , Richard and several other children. Perhapes Henry's father, also Henry was the doctor. They were giving me a date of 1555 but It really wasn't that clear what the 1555 date was alluting too!

No, just re- check, they were talking about Henry, father of Alice . This is taken from Polilicizing Domeeslicely Henrietta Maria to Milton's Eve page 105 with the heading of "Traveling Up and Down the Kingdom.

Dr. Henry Atkins (1554/5 - 1635) served King James and Queen Ann abd before Charles the 1st) It goes on to give in great detail a concotion he devised, which really sounded awful!.

Elizabeth Chase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bourchier,_2nd_Earl_of_Bath#Marri...

From the "Encyclopedia of Connecticut Biography, genealogical-memorial; representative citizens;
https://archive.org/stream/encyclopediaofco03amer#page/114/mode/2up
it mentions on page 114:
(IV) "Thomas (2) Chase, fifth son of Matthew and Elizabeth (Bould) Chase, was of Hundrich, in Parish Chesham, where his active and useful life was spent. He married and was the father of five children born at Hundrich: John, baptized Nov. 30, 1540; Richard, of whom further; Agnes, baptized Jan. 9, 1551; William; Christian."

I also got this same info about Thomas' children from:

"Genealogical and Personal Memoirs: Related to the Families of Boston and Eastern Massachusetts", by William Richard Cutter,
page 69.

It doesn't mention his wife's name, but wives were not that important back then, I guess.