Jan Stanisław Franciszek Czerski - Jan Czerski

Thank you very much for the information. In fact there was only one Ian's sister mentioned in Polish sources until I've got in touch with descendents of his brother Fëdor. He was sent to Georgia as exil after Polish January Uprising in 1863. They live in France where two Fëdor's sons moved after the Comunist Revolution.

Pity, I have never read about your great granfather Nikolai nor his brother Alexander. It would be very nice if you could share any documents to testify that your great granpa was Ian's nephew - confirmation of nobility etc. Does your knowledge about the family roots comes from some acts or is ot just based on memory and tradition?

Regards,
a.k.

Thank you, Aleksander, for your answer to Jerry. I cannot tell more than you said above because I never heard about to others brothers of Ian.
For us, it's very difficult to find relable documentation after the Polish Uprising, the exil (one in Siberia, the other in Georgia) and the communist revolution.What's for sure is that we kept our family name from the Polish Czerski to the French Tchersky ( after Russian intermediate transcription).
But the history of descendance from Nicolaï to Jerry is definitely different (no exil in URSS).It would be fascinating if Jerry could share with us what she knows.
I will phone my uncle Michel to find out about any official documents he could have.
Best regards to both of you,
Dominique Gregory Tchersky

Thank you for your reply. Sorry, I don't have any documents for Nicolai, but I am trying to get more information about Alexander from my cousin. I know that my story is true because I was looking for the fourth brother and I found him. Nicolai and Rosalia Baeker, had three sons; Simion, Basil (my grandfather) and Parftemi who was married to Susanna Urbauer and she also spoke of Jan and the other brother. They left Poland after they lost their title and land. (I was told that they gave up their title. Now I know better)
Basil was born on March 5, 1870 and his wife Olena (Helen) Szkurhan was born on March 10, 1875. They married in Czernowitz on May 28, 1905.
Hope this helps a little bit.

Regards,

Jerry Mach

Thanks a lot for all the data. I've put it in the Czerski family tree, so that we'll be able to connect it with the one of yours. Please, accept my invitation to merge your grandma's profile.
On the other hand, I've been in Czerniowce about 15 years ago. I must have been a nice place before World War II. I wonder if you've hears that famous poet Paul Celan grew up there.
Regards,
a.k.

I am gla we can work together and yes, you are right. Czernowitz was a nice city. They called it "Little Vienna". When my husband and I went back in 1998, I was disappointed because it changed so much. But, it was nice to see our homes again and the old neighborhoods. I am going to be busy during the next two weeks. After that i will add Parftemies children to the family tree. I am glad you want to connect the two trees.

Regards,

Jerry Mach

I was thinking about what documentation I have. I have my grandfather's (Basil Czerski) birth certificate and his marriage cerrtificate. Both documents show Nikolai and Rosalia as the parents. My cousins are looking through there documents. All three of us have been told the story long before people had telephones, computers etc. We all knew Susanna Urbauer Czerski personally. She lived with her daughter ans aon-in-law Constantin Costenczuk. They lived in Rimnicu Sarat. Romenia where Susanna had a stroke and later died.

Perhaps you could get some information about Nikolai if you get in touch with Russian archive in Witebsk.
By the way I'd like to remind you about necessity of accepting profile merges in order to connect two branches of Czerski family trees.

I would love to merge with other families, but I don't know how. I also appreciate your suggestion of getting in touch with the archives in Witebsk, but I will have to find someone to do that for me..I also think that I could find information in Okna, Bukovina, but again how? I hope to eventually find a way. Please, do keep in touch.
Regards,
Jerry

Aleksander,
As you are sending merge requests it seems you are a PRO member?
Perhaps Jerry with less understanding of Geni is just a Basic user and so not able to accept your merge request?
Request to join her Family Group instead, once she accents to that request you will be able to complete the merge yourself.

Sorry to interject in a family conversation.
Good luck.
AleXander

accents = accepts

@Jerry
I don't know whether Okna belongs to Ukraine or Moldova now. Regardless of that you could try at first in Lviv (Lwów) national archive. I guess correspondence in English is possible there as well as in Witebsk. Former USSR archives persist with such orders.

@Alex
Thanks for your advice, namesake ;-) I've done it.

Hello to everyone here.

I just noticed this official page of the member of my Lithuanian noble family and wonder why his father Dominik Czerski (Dominykas Čerskis in Lithuanian) is not public (made as "private") Mine is public:

Dominik Cherski

Also in your tree Grandfather of Jan Stanislaw Franciszek Czerski also Jan (Lithuanian - Jonas) who was Rittmeister of Lithuanian army has wrong name ("Jozef") , which is totally wrong.

Father of Jan (your "Jozef") has also the totally wrong name - Kazimierz. Not true. His name was Franciszek (Pranciškus in Lithuanian) - and he was also Rittmeister of Lithuanian army, and also has civil job - Master of the Hunt of Polock.

Francis Cherski

So there is lot of mistakes in Your "official" page of my family member. Please correct them.

Regards

Robertas Čerškus
Kaunas, Lithuania

Thank you so much for clarifying Franciszek Czerski's position. . I read on google about Franciszek being connected to Jan, but the translation was not very good and I could not be sure. You verified it for me. Thank you.

Have a wonderful day.
Jerry Mach

Cedar Rapids, Iowa
USA

@Jerry (Yaroslawa, Liuba) Mach (NEE Slusarczuk)

My pleasure. It is well publicly known (at least in Lithuania), that the first name Jan in Polish (or John - in English, Jonas - in Lithuanian) Jan Stanislaus Francis Cherski recieved in honor of his grandfather: Jan Cherski but only his Lithuanian family branch that survived in Lithuania knows that the third name he received in honor of his great grandfather Francis Cherski to which my family still was in close contacts, even after Russia took part of Lithuania in 1772, and they apear to be "abroad" for some time (till 1795).

Hello Robertas Cerskus.

Since you seem to know much about the Czerski family, would you know if Franciszk's father was Christopher Czerski?
By the way, my connection to the Czerski family was through my mother who's maiden name was Czerski and her grandfather, Mikolaj Czerski was the brother of Jan Dominikovich Czerski the scientist (born 1845).
I hope you will not mind if I ask you a question once in a while. I would really like to leave a family tree for my children and grandchildren.

Thank you for your help.

Jerry Mach

Hello Jerry!

Yes, Franciszek's father was Christopher. You just follow my links above and check all my family tree. Christopher Cherski

This so called "official" profile of John Cherski (Jan Stanislaus Francis Cherski) is not correct and it's too short and narrow. :) My - Lithuanian noble Czerski family have managed to save some of our family archives. So we know our family history (and John Cherski geneology is thats small part of it) deep enough, till the very beginning of 17th century. :)

Here is the correct profile of Lithuanian John Cherski or Jan Stanisław Franciszek Czerski (Jan Stanislaus Francis Cherski) with our common oldest known Lithuanian ancestor also John Cherski (Jonas Čerskis) who died in July of 1675

"By the way, my connection to the Czerski family was through my mother who's maiden name was Czerski and her grandfather, Mikolaj Czerski was the brother of Jan Dominikovich Czerski the scientist (born 1845)."

Something is completely wrong with this, because as much as I know https://www.geni.com/people/Jonas-Čerskis/6000000010585524582 has no brothers at all.

At least no documental records are left about any existance of his "brothers", and he - John Cherski (1845-1892) himself never ever have mentioned in any possible form about any existance of his "brothers".. Sorry. :) For sure he has one sister Michalina Douglas

So Your connection with the scientist https://www.geni.com/people/Jonas-Čerskis/6000000010585524582 family, if ever existed, have to be carefully checked, based on more reliable sources than this so called "official Geni profile" Sorry. :)

Hello Robertas!
I know from my grandfather Basil Czerski that his father Mikolaj had three brothers. Mikolai was married to Rosalia Baecker. I have a second cousin in Australia who's grandfather was also Mikolaj and she was told the same story .Another cousin dies three years ago in USA and her grandfather was Mikolaj's brother Alexander. As the story goes, after Jan was arrested and exiled to Siberia, one of the brother, Theodor vel Fedor also stayed in Russia and the other two, Mikolaj and Alexander came to the Bukovina (Wikono). Maybe that will help you.

Sorry Jerry, but seems to me I'm not the one that need "help" in this matter. :)

Jan HAS NO BROTHERS at all! As I put it clear enough in my previous post. One sister he has, but no brothers.

Can you imagine well known person from 19th century who has a lot of correspondence (also of personal matter) left after him, but never ever have mentioned about any existance of "his brothers" in any letter or any writings? It possible if only he hated those brothers so much :)

There are lot of books about him with his detailed biography. Please give me at least one name and author of book, or it could be even article in magazine or paper, where is mentioned about any brother of Jan Stanislaus Francis Cherski

Czerski family trees were updated today based on information available in Russian, Lithuanian and Polish languages on the internet: several historical articles, published memoirs of this family members, Wikipedia.

Geographer and explorer of Siberia Jan Czerski had only one sister. His family background is researched by historians and data from archives is quoted in various sources. Geographer's Jan Czerski's tree is now detached from incorrect relatives: https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000016402852399#60000000...

Family tree of Tadeusz Czerski and Agnieszka Jazwinska is available in M.J. Minakowski: Wielka Genealogia Minakowskiego - this is Polish nobility database: https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000039932206897#60000000...

The remaining tree is recreated based on comments within this discussion. Please take a look and make necessary corrections: https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000089957675961#60000000...

I left question-marks next to some names indicating that placement of that person within that particular tree needs to be verified in sources.