How to list tribes / tribal association?

There are some general naming guidelines here that may be helpful:

http://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Naming_Conventions#Native_American_N...:

Was the territory just current day Wisconsin?

I saw the guidelines ... the question is more about a good way to "keep a list" of the tribes in a locale (e.g. Wisconsin).

I really don't know anything other than what I've learned from investigating Ada Deer -- and the only tribal piece out of that is that the Menominee reservation became Menominee County -- and, I gather, most of that has reverted back to tribal lands.

It seems to me, by the naming of this project, that it is not really a place to collect individual profiles UNLESS there is some kind of "bucket by tribe". When I went to this, I was kind of hoping for a "list of tribes in Wisconsin" and somehow link Ada, her father, and siblings into the Minominee tribe. A "folder structure" might do that nicely.

http://www.geni.com/discussions/104788

I'm thinking that we can use "associated projects" in the same fashion as folders. I'm just wondering if we should create both reservations and tribes.

Hmmm ... reservations are a territory, usually for a tribe -- sort of -- but then there are clans, in many cases (which are really sort of family groups, I gather).

I would start with just tribe; then see what the "Places" might do to support Reservations ... because one can live on a reservation and be from different tribes.

Dan Cornett

If you take a look at the state om MO...

http://www.geni.com/projects/Native-American-Tribes-State-of-Missouri

I ran a quick example

There are/were 13 known tribes in MO listed

of these I have listed only Caddo so far

http://www.geni.com/projects/Native-American-Tribes-State-of-Missou...

As you see Caddo refers you to texas . Hopefully will get to the Caddo in TX at some point.

Also see http://www.geni.com/discussions/104788

also see http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/wisconsin/index.htm

Menominee

As given by Skinner, 1921

Kaka'pa'kato' Wini'niwûk, "Barricade Falls people," at Keshena Falls of Wolf River.
Kakä'nikone Tusi'-niniwflg, "Portage people," at Portage, Wis.
Kipisa'`kia Wini'wiwûk, "River Mouth people," at Prairie du Chien.
Mani'towûk Tusi'niniwûg, "Manitou Place people," at Manitowoc, Wis.
Mäte Sue'mako Tusi'niniu, "Great Sand Bar people," on the sand dunes at what is now called Big Suamico, on Green Bay.
Minika'ni Wini'niwuk, "Village people," at the mouth of Menominee River.
Misi'nimäk Kimiko Wini'niwûk, "Michilimackinac People," near the old fort at
Mackinac, Mich. "
Muhwä o Se'peo Wini'niwûk, "Wolf River people, on the upper stretches of Wolf River.
Namä'o Wikito' Tusi niu, "Sturgeon Bay people, at Sturgeon Bay.
Nomä'kokon Se'peo Tusi'niniwûg, Beaver River people, near Winneconne, Fond du Lao, and Oshkosh.
Oka to Wini'niwûk, "Pike Place people," at the mouth the Oconto River River. Pä'sä'tiko Wini'niwûk, "Peshtigo River people," at the mouth of the Peshtigo River.
Powahehe'kune Tusi'niniwûg, "Rice-gathering-placepeople," on Lake Poygan.
Sua'makosa Tusi'niniu, "Little Sand Dune people, on the sandhills of Little Suamico.
Wi'skos Se'peo Wini'niwûk, "Wisconsin River people"-the name Wisconsin being derived from wi'skos or wi'skos, "muskrat"-on the Mississippi near Wisconsin River.

There were other settlements of Menominee at Milwaukee and at Fort Howard
in the present city of Green Bay.

About the time of the arrival of the Whites the old bands were broken up or renamed after their chiefs, and the following bands of this kind are recorded by Hoffman:

Aia'niiqta
Äqkâmot
Kēshok, or Kē'so
Le Motte
Mä'nabŭ'shō
O'hopē'sha
Osh'kosh
Pěsh'tiko, evidently one of the old local groups.
Piwä'gtinet
Sha'kitŏk
Shu'nu'ni'ŭ or Shu'nien

So, looking at that link from accessgenealogy, it seems these are clans/bands which make up the Menominee ... since Ada Deer's early years were "near the Wolf River", she may be either Kaka'pa'kato' Wini'niwûk, or Muhwä o Se'peo Wini'niwûk -- but all the (little bit) of material I read on her today simply referred to Menominee. And she was the tribal leader of the Menominee from 1974-76.

So, maybe it's something like place names .... there is a hierarchy of "tribal" membership? Something like: clan, tribe, people?

It might be nice to make that some kind of lookup or 'drill-down' so novices (like me) can easily find the proper name and see what come "along with it" (e.g. a Muhwä o Se'peo Wini'niwûk is also a member of the Minominee, and they are part of the Algonquian linguistic family).

I have to admit that such a document would be nice, but as far as I know nothing loke that has been writen yet.

If someone wishhes to volunteer to do one, the info is at accessgenealogy.. it would have to be put into one big spreadsheet with all the info. This would require many. many manhours'

As for clans, that information is very important since they were not allowed to marry within thier own clan, but a lot of that information has been lost.

As for Ada Deer, unless you can identify the Band/clan/tribe you would have to list her simply as a Menominee (don't make up facts) until and if you ever find a good ref otherwise

This would be the same as listing me as being from MO because you don't know what city I'm from.

There is nothing that says that you can't add in the about

"since Ada Deer's early years were "near the Wolf River", she may be either Kaka'pa'kato' Wini'niwûk, or Muhwä o Se'peo Wini'niwûk .. from my ref at HTTP///......................."

That way someone reading it may have a ref for those two and may find her in a siurce that you do not have and you use the words "may be" so people will take it for what it's worth and not as being proven.

It may be that she has a FB account; that might be one way to make contact and invite her to take over her profile -- then she could fill in family properly.

I don't have FB, so I can't do that right now :-(

Is there a book written on her?

All I know is what I found yesterday and is documented on her profile (Private).

Her name came up in the first place in connection with the Menominee tribe restitution act (1973) which was sponsored by Gaylord Nelson (see his timeline: Gaylord A. Nelson, U.S. Senator ) -- and as I searching, see seemed rather noteworthy!

Many times in a birth or death anouncement they will list the Clan, I could not find a Menominee news paper to check her birth announcement (it may not be in English if there was one in 1935, who knows)

Maybe she'll google herself and find this.

This is a really new & very late post to this conversation. Sorry. My son-in-law is of "the Lac du Flambeau Band of the Lake Superior Chippewa Nation." He was born into "The Bear Clan." That is the way he is identified, he said. I know that there is also "The Bad River Band." His maternal grandmother was Potawatomi who married into the LdF Band of Chippewas (AKA Objibwe). I have found these discussions with him of great interest, as has the above discussion.