leads I am working on

Private User Do you think you have any ideas how to best approach the effort to trace this family down ie. in London?

Jewish Chronicle archives are a good source. Many family announcements were placed there. Plus communal event reporting, etc.

Click on Archives top right at http://www.thejc.com

Searching is free. Printing costs.

Naftali - do you know the town they came from? I have been able to extend my tree through looking at the town or neighboring towns or in the same Gubernia and looking at all the families in Jewish Gen records. I have also found DNA testing to help with these roadblocks with Jewish families with uncertain surnames. Marriage patterns are also useful in the 18th and 19th century, so looking at families they married with helps your research.

Malka - Thank you for arranging the project. This look much better.
London - I am on JewishGen. They have records of the Jewish community there (Births, deaths, marriages). I assume they are all buried in London, so finding their grave could be helpful. The issue is the name. Freedman was a common name even 100 years ago.
also my aunt wrote:
"BOTH LOUIS AND ANNIE WERE REGISTERED AS 'ALIENS' AND HAD TO PERIODICALLY GO IN TO THE POLICE STATION IN TOTTENHAM COURT RD IN LONDON TO 'SIGN IN'

David - JC is a great lead. I will look into it.
I started with looking for "Freedman" between 1905 - 1985. I got 10,271 results.
I will try to focus more the search and I will see if I can dig something.

Thank you!

Hatte - Here is the thing. I only know first names. I searched 100 miles in the area and so far I didn't hit anything as many Jews were named Avraham or Eleazer.
I don't know any of the families they married into except for my Great Grandfather. Louis Freedman who married Chaya Etta Freedman from the Bograshov family

The other thing is name patterns which can help you narrow down the family. So that is the main way I found my great grandfather's family, was by multiple generations naming children the same names as the family in a particular town, which happened to be quite far from where I thought it would be.

Hatte - My Great grandfather was named after his father.
So he was Eleazer the son of Eleazer. That is a rare combination but no luck so far.
My great grandfather then changed the name to Louis Freedman

Naftali,

Try Michael Brown (mlbrownmail@gmail.com) for more info including documents and immigration entry journals, English burial details, etc. He is our cousin via the Bograshov family.

Also, remember that Eleazer can be spelt Eliezer (like me).

Dad, z"l, once mentioned the town of Wroclaw, situated in E. Poland / W. Russia. The name can be found in today's Germany, but remember that borders shifted backwards and forwards,

Love Aba
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My great uncle changed his name to his father's name after he immigrated to the U.S. Joseph - Yosel. Since men had two or three names, they did sometimes share a name with a brother or father in my experience. Was Eliezer the Hebrew name for both?

Naftali Freedman If you can have someone write out "Eliezer ben Eliezer" in Hebrew font for you . . . . plus any other names of towns and people for you to use in the Google search engine as needed.

I have found articles via Google using Hebrew that do not come up in English. I guess it would work for Yiddish too.

I tried אליעזר בן אליעזר on google, and no luck.
The second Eliezer changed his name after he got to Louis.

Aba - Whats in Wroclaw? I will check that lead.

Wrocław, Poland
51°06' N 17°02' E
302 km WSW of Warszawa

Wrocław [Pol], Breslau [Ger], Bresle [Yid], Vratislav [Cz], Vrotslav [Rus], Wratislavia [Lat], Wrosław, Breslavl', Breslavia, Bresslau

it was Breslau, Germany until 1950.

I found a record for HOSCH, Louis - Jewishname, Elieser
who died in 1885 at the age of 69.
Prussia / Opole Province
Located at 50°28’ 17°20’ which is 45.6 miles SSE of 51°06’ 17°02’

"Whats in Wroclaw? I will check that lead"

Check with Sara but I think that is the home town of my great-grandfather, Eliezer, who was killed / died (in river ?), before the family moved to London.
Apparently, he was a travelling Rabbi / Rav / whatever visiting several communities.

After he died, my great-grandmother fled with the family to UK by boat. She continued teaching the children, including gemara, and once I heard that she wore a peah over her shaven head (Hasidic ?).

My grandfather, Eliezer ben Eliezer, was born there before they came or immediately after arriving in UK.

"it was Breslau, Germany until 1950" - unlikely. try looking for same name but further east Poland / Russia.
Aba

From what I understood from Sara, the name is Wlocklawek, Poland or that area.
Also, he died at around 1887, and they fled to UK at about 1905.

Naf
What was Louis wife Chaya's maiden name?- I can't access it on Geni. Did she only use Chaya or was there an anglicised name she used? This may help with JC searching.

I tried searching for Louis and family in various ways in the 1911 census without success. As far as you know did they use the name Freedman as soon as they were in London?
Neil

Chaya Etta Freedman (Bograshov) (I made it public)

Daughter of Avraham Yizhak Bograshov (Death:1920) (I made it public)

Sister of: ; Solomon Brown; Sam Brown; Marie Brown and Doris Bograshov

Neil - They may not be on the Census. I asked Sara (My aunt) about that lead and she wrote:
"BOTH LOUIS AND ANNIE WERE REGISTERED AS 'ALIENS' AND HAD TO PERIODICALLY GO IN TO THE POLICE STATION IN TOTTENHAM COURT RD IN LONDON TO 'SIGN IN'

Aliens were meant to be included on the census. My wife's grandfather is in the1901 and 1911 censuses and he wasn't naturalised until about 1920.Apparently they did make efforts to encourage this with German and Yiddish translations. Lots of other reasons why they may not be on the census, or they are there but with very bad transcription
of names.

I can concur with having encountered bad transcriptions of names in the censuses of late 1800s.

Another place to search is http://www.synagoguescribes.com and its sister site http://www.cemeteryscribes.com

Is "Edmonton Federation Jewish Cemetery" the main cemetry in London? I see a ton of records from there. I guess the best way to get answers is grave digging (or just looking for the right grave)

David - Thank you for the links. So far no luck.

There are many Jewish cemeteries in London, each affiliated with one of the several synagogue bodies.

You can search some United Synagogue burial records but you have to know what you are looking for: http://www.theus.org.uk/support_services/find_your_family/burial_re...

And some marriage records at http://www.theus.org.uk/support_services/find_your_family/marriage_...

I don't really know what cemetery or synagogue to look for.
Private User; Private User:
Any ideas?

David - Most of the sites you posted are mainly for the 19th century.
The marriage records are from 17th February 1880 - 31th December 1892.
I am looking for UK data between 1905-1965 as only then they arrived to the UK from Poland.

Naftali - I think only the marriage authorisations site I mentioned was currently only indexed for 19th century; the rest not.

David -Thnx. I will try more digging.