Reginald de Balliol, Sheriff of Shropshire 1040 hire - tsk tsk tsk

Hello, James! I invite you to share whatever corrections and additions you may have to this profile--please provide documentation as needed so that we can have the fullest picture if there are any contested facts in the scholarship. Thank you!

Pam Wilson, Curator

I certainly will Pam but one question. What do you mean by scholarship? I am new here so don't know much about this site, although learning

Until I get my references and data out of storage, I will give you a brief rundown on what I do remember.
I traced my Bailey line from me to Guy de Balliol, that was easy. One of the toughest parts of my line was separating and connecting Guy to Rainald. While everyone thought guy and Rainald were father and son(or in some cases the same person) I will show that Guy was either Rainalds brother or son(I can't remember right off the top of my head). Rainald(b. 1040) was the son of Rainald, (Sr.)born 1019 at Wales. There is an interesting story of William the Conqueror conceiving a son with a lady on his way to see King Edward. This lady was married but without going through a long story, her husband agreed. This lady was Rainalds (b. 1019) wife. It is known that Rainalds given birth name was Gronwy "Wrenoc". Gronwys line is easily traced.
Now for Ameira. She was the daughter of Hugh Montgomery. It is also known that Warin, the Bald(called Guerin in some texts), was the brother of Rainald. Now about Rainald himself. There was so much confusion about Rainald that it took me years to unravel it. Many historians referred to him as Ranulph, Ranulph de Peverell, Rainald de Knightly, Ranulph de Knightley and on and on and on. His last name was Bailleul and although many prominent past historians say that the Balliol family was NOT related to the Bailleul, we now know that to be false, they certainly were. They were not from Ballieul-en-Gouffern, as stated in many texts. It was Bailleul, (I can't rem,ember until I get my papers out)in France and Belgium. Before this, the Bailleul family was in Wales, haven changed their family name to Bailleul from their Welsh name of Gronwy(Wrenoc). You can easily trace this line many hundreds and thousands of years back from that point, which I did. Sorry for being so vague, but I am just giving you info from the top of my head.
There was so many twists and turns in the Balliol-Balleul family from John Bayley(of Chippenham-b.1590) to John Baylyff(living at Castle Cary in Street England)to the Baillie family(of Scotland) to the Balliol family(changing their name because of a violent crime committed by my ancestor John Baillie on a priest who had ravaged his sister, so he fled Scotland to the Isle of Anglaise) to Guy de Baliol, to Rainald Baileul and on and on. Hope this helps until I give you my references.

How very interesting, James! I can tell that you have a passion for these stories. That's why we love genealogy so much, isn't it?

By scholarship, I mean the reliable sources that have documented the medieval relationships. (That is--where did you get your information, and how valid is it, given that we all--and especially medieval historians--acknowledge that not every account is valid? For all of these medieval figures and master profiles, we are trying hard to document the sources and make sure that the interpretations have credibility.

As for your remark here: "While everyone thought guy and Rainald were father and son(or in some cases the same person) I will show that Guy was either Rainalds brother or son(I can't remember right off the top of my head)"-- this is an example of contested scholarship. This happens often in genealogy. One respected writer will conclude, based upon his or her evaluation of the evidence at hand, that someone is the son of person A. A second person will come along and either reinterpret the information or may have access to some new information that casts doubt upon person A being the parent of the figure in question. It may be inconclusive, or the new theory may take the place of the old one.What we curators and profile builders try to do in the About Me section is to record these disagreements, along with the arguments for both sides, rather than just leaving out one argument altogether.

All this to say that I am eager to see your sources and get more details from your research, with documentation, into our profiles. Sounds like you have a lot to offer!