Adding a relative no longer possible?

Magnus -

how closely related are you? If you are trying to add your sister's child and are getting this -- it is a bug. Report it here, and one of us will flag a member of the Geni-Team.

If you are trying to add someone who would be outside what Geni considers your Max Family Group - ie. 3rd great-grandparent, 4th cousin (for example, your 4th cousin's child is outside your Max Family Group, as is your fifth great-grandparent, etc.) -- then no, Geni currently does not allow that for Basic Users.

Do not know if Plus Users can add indefinitely regardless of Blood Relationship - or just indefinitely for those related by Blood.

basic users can add back to 4th great grandparents, plus and pro users can add unlimited profiles

Jason (and anyone else who knows for sure) - can Plus add blood-cousin's spouses' siblings' spouses' parents and grandparents and etc - and descendents of all those, etc. -- or just in the blood-line and/or close to it?? -

Either way would be "unlimited" in terms of number of profiles - which is why saying "unlimited" does not totally answer my question .

The Blog for "Introducing Geni Plus" says "No size restrictions on your tree - This means that you can add an unlimited number of ancestors and relatives onto the profiles you manage" - which sounds to me like just blood relatives (and maybe some close-to, such as spouses).

My understanding is the Plus can add profiles anywhere they have edit access. No restriction to blood relation.

plus can add anywhere

Right, the distinction is that Plus users can add onto any profile they manage, while Pro users can add onto those AND all public profiles.

Mike - was I correct in saying that Plus can add profiles anywhere they have edit access? So that would not just be adding onto profiles they manage, but also adding onto public profiles their collaborators manage?

Essentially the same as Pro. Pro can also add profiles anywhere they have edit access - it's just that Pro users have edit access in more places than Plus users.

No, Plus users cannot add onto profiles managed by their collaborators.

Mike, thanks for correcting my misunderstanding.
This is all really not at all clear from the chart at for example http://help.geni.com/entries/20447001-what-are-the-different-types-...

and elsewhere.

Nor does it make too much sense to me to make that distinction.

I know the recent changes have been frustrating for some of our users. We're listening to the feedback and carefully considering what changes, if any, need to be made to the balance of features among the three account types.

Mike

There's obvious frustration from users that now can't do what they would like to be able to do.

But there's also frustration from others that they simply do not understand the changes, the documentation is not exactly very explanatory. So besides one's own difficulties, it becomes impossible to help others if you don't have the correct info to do so.

Jason, a curator, said above, in good faith "plus can add anywhere". Turns out that was wrong. Turns out I was wrong too.

It's almost a month since Plus was introduced. What's the timeframe for documenting it fully in the comparison charts, help modules, Wiki, etc.?

I would like to add on to my tree beyond my 4th GGrandfather, but do not want any other person having access to or changing my work. (I had added my 7th GGrandfather, before the changes). So, it would not pay....to Pay, unless I would get "exactly" what I want. And I don't "want" any other person to be able to make changes to my tree unless they are given permission to collaborate.

mary, all changes can be undone, and merge undo is a feature being worked on

Mike -
re: ".. Plus users can add onto any profile they manage, while Pro users can add onto those AND all public profiles." -
Does the limitation to Profiles you manage only kick in after you get outside your Max Family Group, or does it apply everywhere, or ??

For example: I added my sisters, parents, etc.and for those that are unclaimed, am the Manager - does that mean that
1) my siblings with a claimed profile can add children to their own, claimed profile(s) - and I cannot add children to that profile, because since it is Claimed, I am no longer considered a "Manager" (assuming that is option they chose) ?
2) I can add children to my siblings with unclaimed Profiles, because I am their manager, but my other siblings cannot, because they are not the manager?

Lois, I think you can answer those questions yourself as a Basic user. Try them. I think you will find you can do all those things within your family group. No need to ask others the answers to what one can easily find out oneself.

I don't expect that there are things that Geni Basic users can do that Geni Plus users can't.

My understanding is that all can add within family group.

But then again, I have been proved wrong before ...

An exception though is if someone is blocking you. If you have fallen out with your sibling who claimed their profile, and they are blocking you, then i think you will find your actions are more restricted, even within your family group.

Lois, all users (Basic, Plus, Pro) can add onto any profile in their Family Group or "max" Family Group range (in other words, 3rd great grandparents, 4th cousins, etc, PLUS the people whom you've added to your Family Group via that request). As David points out, blocking preempts this.

Now might be a good time to mention that these are the rules as they stand today, however the frustration with free users not being able to add outside max family group has got us considering alternatives. In other words, "subject to change without notice"!

@ Jason. I would prefer not to "undo" anything. I would just like to have control over what I or my family has put on here. I guess the only way to do that is to keep a private tree. I don't want someone just adding willy nilly with all my hard work. Or deleting? I suppose someone who has access to my tree could also "undo" things?

Mike Stangel Good to hear you're at least considering changes. I also think that basic users should be able to accept merges within their familygroup.

It seems, that the former version of free Geni is now destroyed by Geni itself, in this state it has become quite useless for the users. One has probably to search for another program. It`s a pity.

I've been using Geni for over 3 years now and came back to get a lot of work done that I finally got the time for and I find that almost all the profiles I've added to my more than 1,000 member tree is now inaccessible to my adding more relatives unless I pay up. Looks like I'm going to have to find another site. A shame, I really liked this site with its ease of use. I will return periodically to see if the management has come to its senses. I miss the forums, too.

This latest change has made me consider going to another site. I have added thousands of profiles and now I cannot expand on that. If I have to pay, I might as well go to Ancestry.com.