. Golden Rose Synagogue in Lviv ( from the ukraine digest: September 26, 2011)

Started by Moshe משה Kutten קוטין on Tuesday, September 27, 2011
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9/27/2011 at 7:17 PM

GFamily

You all may know by now that I am into my past these days.

I am getting this newsletter from Jewish Genealogy organization (see www.jewishgen.org). This article details what one can do to help preserve Jewish historic sites in the Ukraine

First some comments about Lviv:

Lviv (or Lvov as it was called before the war by the Polish people who controlled Galitsia - now in the Ukraine), was the largest city in the now Ukrainian - Galicia region where the Edelstein and the Kutten families resided and most other families on the tree resided

Edelstein family concentrated in Stryj. If my memory serves me right (see detailed maps on Geni) it was located not far from the border between what used to be Poland the Ausria- Hungary empire. Stryj and was about 100 miles south west of Lviv. Saba Aharon Kutten (his brother Chaim Kutten and sister Sara Swalb - Kutten) grew up in Brody with his parents Moshe and Channa Kutten. If my memory serves me right Brody a small town about 100 miles North east of Lviv.

Many of the postings in the above mentioned newsletter are boring and individual. I erased these parts (you can subscribe to the newsletter if you go onto the website which allows for a lot of research about the life of Jews in Grater Poland before the war.)

However, please see item 3 below about the Golden Rose synagogue in Lviv and what you can do to help preserve it and other Jewish historic sites.

I know that some of you already went on roots finding trips. We are probably the last ones to do it.. We are planning a trip to the Ukraine to trace our roots when we retire,. We hope that these places are still there when we go.

Moshe Kutten

9/28/2011 at 12:02 PM

http://www.geni.com/people/Moshe-%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%94-Kutten-%D7%A7%D...

I saw you mention Brody, Austria (now Ukraine).

My great parents emigrated from there. Apparenty there's nothing left but a synagogue now, but in its time it was a thriving center. A Geni project here:

http://www.geni.com/projects/Brody-is-no-more

All are welcome.

9/28/2011 at 12:56 PM

By the way, I just met my "Kott" family in Israel. I do not know if there is a relationship between Kott and Kutten.

9/28/2011 at 7:11 PM

Dear Hatte.
The name Kutten (Kuten, Kutin and Kuten are also used) is derived from the Hebrew word Katan (small or modest in Hebrew). My family origin is from Spain. During the Inquisition, the family ran away from Spain and settled in Galicia. There were several famous Rabbis Kutten's (Kutin's or Kutens") in Galicia and one famous Dr. Kutin who settled in Tel Aviv in the beginning of the 19th century. In Yiddish the name was pronounced Kutn (no vowel between the "t" and the "n".
If Kott means or ronounce in Hebrew Kat (also small) than it may be from the same family,

9/28/2011 at 7:14 PM

Erica

Brody is in Galicia which is and always was a Ukrainian region. Before World War I, it was part of the Austro Hungary empire. After 1918 it became part of Greeter Poland until World War II.

I am taking the following from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe)
“During the First World War, Galicia saw heavy fighting between the forces of Russia and the Central Powers. (Which the Austro - Hungarian empire was the major member of mk) The Russian forces overran most of the region in 1914 after defeating the Austro-Hungarian army in a chaotic frontier battle in the opening months of the war. This gave Russia the opportunity to invade Germany from the south. However the Russians were pushed out of Galicia in the spring and summer of 1915 by a combined German, Austro-Hungarian and Turkish offensive.
In 1918, Western Galicia became a part of the restored Republic of Poland, while the local Ukrainian population briefly declared the independence of Eastern Galicia as the West Ukrainian People's Republic. These competing claims lead to the Polish-Ukrainian War. Upon reclaiming its former territories and seeing a much greater threat from the Communist Russia Poland made common cause with Ukrainian administration in Kiev, the Ukrainian People's Republic against Bolshevist Russia. During the Polish-Soviet War a short-lived Galician SSR in Ternopil was established. Eventually, the whole of the province was recaptured by Poles and divided into four voivodeships, with capitals in Kraków, Lviv (Lwów), Ternopil (Tarnopol) and Stanyslaviv (Stanisławów).
The Ukrainians of the former eastern Galicia and the neighbouring province of Volhynia, made up about 15% of the Second Polish Republic population, and were its largest minority. Poland's annexation of Eastern Galicia, never accepted as legitimate by some Ukrainians, was internationally recognized in 1923. This attitude, among other local problems, contributed to growing tensions between the Polish government and the Ukrainian population, eventually giving the rise to the militant underground Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists.In the western part of Galicia, Rusyn Lemkos formed the Lemko-Rusyn Republic in 1918, initially attempting to unite with Russia, instead of Ukraine. As this was impossible, they later attempted to unite with Rusyns from the area south of the Carpathians, in an attempt to join Czechoslovakia as a third ethnic entity. This effort was suppressed by the Polish government in 1920, and the area was incorporated into Poland. The leaders of the republic were tried by the Polish government, but were acquitted.
Thus after the World War I and unsuccessful struggles for independence, Galicia ended up being in Poland again. Ukrainian Galicians underwent polonization and discrimination durind these years. One could not get a state employment if he would not become Polish Roman Catholic. "

Before World war II, Brody was a border town between Russia and Poland. My grandfather used to smuggle saccharine from Russia to Poland and sell it at a profit. I can write a book about the stories my father used to tell me about that.

The faith of Brody after during the war is also taken from the web site:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/brody/brody.html
You can find waht heppend to Brody and it's jewish population on the memorial website

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/brody/brody.html

Two books were published about Jewish Brody (written by the survivors - including my father), a survivor organization and a big Memorial site in Israel. The details can be found on the web site.

9/28/2011 at 7:25 PM

Malka

Thank you for the maps.

Moshe

9/28/2011 at 7:28 PM

I'll mention the Kutten name and its derivation to my Kott family. They didn't know much about the family but have had newer immigrants to Israel with the name stop by and tell them a lot. We talked about it and I think they were from Hungary.

Some of my ancestors were also Sephardim who came into Europe and took up Yiddish and moved eastward.

9/28/2011 at 7:58 PM

Yes, I read the http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/brody/brody.html site and was inspired by it to start the http://www.geni.com/projects/Brody-is-no-more Geni Project.

If you would be interested in collaborating on the Project and adding your ancestors profiles to it, I would be honored.

9/28/2011 at 9:56 PM

Erica

I will look into the project and try to contribute. I accumulated quit a bit of material abbout Brody over the years.

In your project, you should call Brody, Brody Galicia rather than Brody Austria as Brody was never Austrian (although it was part of the Austro - Hungarian empire before World war I). As a matter of fact, before World War II there were three main populations in Brody (about 25% - 35% each) Jews, Polish and Ukrainian.

Did you know that the Books on Brody by the survivors’ organization has established a memorial or all the families who perished? The names also appear on the memorials

Moshe

9/28/2011 at 10:20 PM

Moshe

The census reports and naturalization papers on my emigrant ancestors list them as from "Austria," although we always assumed it was Austro Hungarian Empire with shifting borders. And my great grandmother was Yiddish and German speaking.

9/30/2011 at 7:59 PM

Erica

It is interesting how your grandmother knew German as the majority of the schools in the are were either Jewish Ukrainian or Jewish. She probably grew up or was educated outside of Galicia

My grandfather on my mother side was also born in Galicia (100 south of Lviv), but moved to Vienna where my mother was born. She grew up in Dresden Germany and in Vansdorf Czechoslovakia where German was the spoken language among the Jews beside Yiddish. The family returned to Galicia in 1935, From my mother’s story I now that she , her brother and sister as well as my grandmother were miserable in Galicia since nobody knew German (my grandmother and her kids did not speak Yiddish much). My mother was sent by her parents to a boarding school in Palestine and this is how she was saved.

9/30/2011 at 8:14 PM

Now that's very interesting. My family mostly emigrated around 1905. My great grandmother did gymnasium in Odessa, which is where she met my great grandfather. But how long were they in Brody? We don't know.

I believe surviving Brody records are in L'viv?

10/1/2011 at 6:33 PM

My wife's mother family is from Odessa (her father is from Belorus).

There are many survibving records from Brody. What you want to do is to become a full fledge memeber in jewishgen. That allows you to search all the records for the town of Brody wherevere they are kept now. There are aslo similar recored for Odessa and fro every town in the Ukraine.

10/1/2011 at 7:26 PM

One of my mother's cousins has been doing family research many years - she may well be a full member of JewishGen. I think she'd be interested in these new ideas to break down "the brick wall.". The Odessa side is a problem as it was a name change at emigration (to the Brody side name). We have some guesses as to how it might have been spelled but only a few facts. I also wonder if they were in Odessa itself and for how long (how many generations).

10/2/2011 at 3:07 PM

Here is a new one juse mentioned in the Jewishgen news letter:

Jewish graves:

http://www.lo-tishkach.org/en/index.php?categoryid=14

The jewish geanology has a data base connected to tens of other data bases. Just by logging in as a memeber you have access to the date base. It does not cost much to be a member and it is going to a good cause.

Moshe

10/2/2011 at 8:55 PM

Here are some of the databases use by Jwishgen

Database of European Jewish Burial Grounds

Lviv PSA AGAD Births 1863-76,1900,01

Stanislawow Wojewodztwa / Ukraine
(records in Found 300 in AGAD Archive

Surnames (D-M code 536000)in Ukraine

Tarnopol PSA AGAD Births 1866-1897,1902-05 Marriages 1878-1897,1902-05 Deaths 1870-76,78-92,94-1905

10/2/2011 at 9:19 PM

You are so helpful! Thank you very much. I'll so some more searches on these specific databases.

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